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SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 19, 2021 08:13AM
[www.scotusblog.com]

"...could upend the Supreme Court’s landmark decisions in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, in which the court ruled that the Constitution protects the right to have an abortion before a fetus becomes viable. The court granted review in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, a challenge to the constitutionality of a Mississippi law that (with limited exceptions) bars abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy.

The decision to review the Mississippi law comes nearly  a year after the court struck down a Louisiana law that required doctors who perform abortions to have the right to admit patients at a nearby hospital. In that case, five justices, including Chief Justice John Roberts, relied on Casey in ruling that the Louisiana law imposed an undue burden on the right to obtain a pre-viability abortion. But the make-up of the Supreme Court has changed since the ruling in the Louisiana case last June: One of the justices in the majority, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a staunch supporter of abortion rights, died in September and was replaced by Justice Amy Coney Barrett, whose personal opposition to abortion drew criticism from Democrats at her confirmation hearing."
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 19, 2021 08:32AM
It's all about the power. Republicans specialize in single issue voters and deliberately polarize them. Abortion and Guns. Two completely opposing concepts (Save Lives ! vs Take Lives !)

The cognitive dissonance in voters is strong in them.

The fundamentalist desire to control women is strong as well.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 19, 2021 08:49AM
Yes, and from Mississippi of all places. One of the world's worst public education systems
Some of the worst outcomes for maternal and infant mortality esp. among Black women.

All it takes is for Roe to be overturned: a number of states have trigger laws in place that will effectively outlaw abortion. And we're back to back alley 1960s.

Conservatives have mostly lost the culture wars but they've got a good shot at winning this one.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 19, 2021 09:20AM
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Lemon Drop
Yes, and from Mississippi of all places. One of the world's worst public education systems
Some of the worst outcomes for maternal and infant mortality esp. among Black women.

All it takes is for Roe to be overturned: a number of states have trigger laws in place that will effectively outlaw abortion. And we're back to back alley 1960s.

Conservatives have mostly lost the culture wars but they've got a good shot at winning this one.

Elections have consequences. We now have a packed court thanks to Orange Dump and Turtleman.

And in a certain way, if Roe were to be overturned, that might eventually be the death knell for the conservatives in this country. I think the outcry would be extreme...




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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: mattkime
Date: May 19, 2021 09:51AM
I'm not so certain.....but it will likely be interesting in the worst way.



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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: May 19, 2021 02:17PM
And possibly just in time for the midterms! That should work out well for them.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 19, 2021 02:45PM
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Lemon Drop
Yes, and from Mississippi of all places. One of the world's worst public education systems
Some of the worst outcomes for maternal and infant mortality esp. among Black women.

All it takes is for Roe to be overturned: a number of states have trigger laws in place that will effectively outlaw abortion. And we're back to back alley 1960s.

Conservatives have mostly lost the culture wars but they've got a good shot at winning this one.

Elections have consequences. We now have a packed court thanks to Orange Dump and Turtleman.

And in a certain way, if Roe were to be overturned, that might eventually be the death knell for the conservatives in this country. I think the outcry would be extreme...

I disagree. People don’t spend a lot of time thinking about abortion because it doesn’t affect them on a day to day basis unless they want one. And, if overturned, the Republicans will say they need to be re-elected in order to keep it overturned.



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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 19, 2021 03:15PM
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Lemon Drop
Yes, and from Mississippi of all places. One of the world's worst public education systems
Some of the worst outcomes for maternal and infant mortality esp. among Black women.

All it takes is for Roe to be overturned: a number of states have trigger laws in place that will effectively outlaw abortion. And we're back to back alley 1960s.

Conservatives have mostly lost the culture wars but they've got a good shot at winning this one.

Elections have consequences. We now have a packed court thanks to Orange Dump and Turtleman.

And in a certain way, if Roe were to be overturned, that might eventually be the death knell for the conservatives in this country. I think the outcry would be extreme...

I disagree. People don’t spend a lot of time thinking about abortion because it doesn’t affect them on a day to day basis unless they want one. And, if overturned, the Republicans will say they need to be re-elected in order to keep it overturned.

Respectfully, I disagree ... you're talking about a woman's right to say what she does with her own body. A lot of people (men AND women) think about it more than you might think, and not just when they need one. And as for the Republicans, they'd again be likely to be in the minority on this one: [www.npr.org] ... note how few actually want Roe completely overturned.




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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 19, 2021 05:10PM
I doubt this will fully overturn RvW, but it's likely to limit it - again.

And I think the attitude that some was to keep the government at bay on regulating what people are doing are EXACTLY the same that want the government to control women's bodies (and not just abortion).

Sad, truly sad.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2021 05:14PM by sekker.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 19, 2021 05:49PM
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]




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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 19, 2021 06:37PM
If the Court sides with Mississippi in this case, then we will almost instantly become a country geographically divided as to whether or not women have reproductive freedom. We will have that freedom in the mid Atlantic, Northeast and West, but not the South or Midwest.

I can only hope the Court rules that women and healthcare professionals should be making this decision, not a bunch of politicians in a capitol building.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 19, 2021 07:34PM
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PeterB
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]

Going full Handmaids Tale down in Texas.

No exceptions for rape or incest.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 19, 2021 09:35PM
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Lemon Drop
If the Court sides with Mississippi in this case, then we will almost instantly become a country geographically divided as to whether or not women have reproductive freedom. We will have that freedom in the mid Atlantic, Northeast and West, but not the South or Midwest.

I can only hope the Court rules that women and healthcare professionals should be making this decision, not a bunch of politicians in a capitol building.

Minnesota will continue to be South Canada, however.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: bfd
Date: May 19, 2021 10:49PM
If you thought BLM last summer was something to remember, just wait until R v. W is overturned. There will be real troubles - and plenty of it. It'll make the BLM movement look like a 4th of July parade.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 20, 2021 12:10AM
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Lemon Drop
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PeterB
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]

Going full Handmaids Tale down in Texas.

No exceptions for rape or incest.

Yep, I noticed that too... truly regressive. If we're really going to force women who are the victims of rape or incest to bear the offspring of these crimes, I think we also need to institute laws to simultaneously punish the offenders with surgical castration. Maybe without anesthesia.




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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 20, 2021 09:10PM
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Lemon Drop
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PeterB
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]

Going full Handmaids Tale down in Texas.

No exceptions for rape or incest.

Yep, I noticed that too... truly regressive. If we're really going to force women who are the victims of rape or incest to bear the offspring of these crimes, I think we also need to institute laws to simultaneously punish the offenders with surgical castration. Maybe without anesthesia.

The same punishment for those who write these laws.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 21, 2021 04:34AM
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PeterB
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PeterB
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]

Going full Handmaids Tale down in Texas.

No exceptions for rape or incest.

Yep, I noticed that too... truly regressive. If we're really going to force women who are the victims of rape or incest to bear the offspring of these crimes, I think we also need to institute laws to simultaneously punish the offenders with surgical castration. Maybe without anesthesia.

The same punishment for those who write these laws.

They are just following what their wives and mothers demand.

[www.npr.org]

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NPR
Gender gap? Try a stark party divide, particularly among women

The most acute divide among Americans on the issue of abortion, arguably, is not a gender divide but between the parties — and of women of different parties.

For example, 54% of men identified as "pro-choice," compared with 60% of women. For women of the different parties, 77% of Democratic women identified as "pro-choice," while 68% of Republican women identified as "pro-life." (A lower percentage of Republican men, 59%, considered themselves "pro-life.")

Throughout the poll, the divide was stark. On Roe, for example, 62% of Republican women said overturn it or add restrictions; 73% of Democratic women said keep it the way it is, expand it to allow abortions under any circumstance or reduce some of the restrictions.

Eighty-four percent of Democratic women said they are more likely to support state laws that decriminalize abortion and make laws less strict; 62% of Republican women said they are more likely to support laws that criminalize abortion or make laws stricter.

On requiring insurance companies to cover abortion procedures, 75% of Democratic women support that, while 78% of Republican women oppose it, higher than the 63% of Republican men who said the same.

Republican women also stand out for the 62% of them who said they oppose laws that allow abortion at any time during pregnancy in cases of rape or incest. They are the only group to voice majority opposition to that. Fifty-nine percent of Republican men, for example, said they would support such a law.

And Republican women are the only group to say overwhelmingly that life begins at conception. About three-quarters said so, compared with less than half of Republican men and a third of Democratic women.

It's a reminder that Republican women, in many ways, are the backbone of the movement opposing abortion rights.

Here's an interesting theory of why more men than women support abortion rights. It's all about getting themselves out of hot water when they can't keep their pecker out of a woman and unintentionally impregnate her:

[www.theguardian.com]



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Re: SCOTUS has agreed to take the case that will likely overturn Roe
Posted by: kj
Date: May 21, 2021 11:41AM
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Speedy
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PeterB
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PeterB
And so it begins: [www.reuters.com]

Going full Handmaids Tale down in Texas.

No exceptions for rape or incest.

Yep, I noticed that too... truly regressive. If we're really going to force women who are the victims of rape or incest to bear the offspring of these crimes, I think we also need to institute laws to simultaneously punish the offenders with surgical castration. Maybe without anesthesia.

The same punishment for those who write these laws.

They are just following what their wives and mothers demand.

[www.npr.org]

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NPR
Gender gap? Try a stark party divide, particularly among women

The most acute divide among Americans on the issue of abortion, arguably, is not a gender divide but between the parties — and of women of different parties.

For example, 54% of men identified as "pro-choice," compared with 60% of women. For women of the different parties, 77% of Democratic women identified as "pro-choice," while 68% of Republican women identified as "pro-life." (A lower percentage of Republican men, 59%, considered themselves "pro-life.")

Throughout the poll, the divide was stark. On Roe, for example, 62% of Republican women said overturn it or add restrictions; 73% of Democratic women said keep it the way it is, expand it to allow abortions under any circumstance or reduce some of the restrictions.

Eighty-four percent of Democratic women said they are more likely to support state laws that decriminalize abortion and make laws less strict; 62% of Republican women said they are more likely to support laws that criminalize abortion or make laws stricter.

On requiring insurance companies to cover abortion procedures, 75% of Democratic women support that, while 78% of Republican women oppose it, higher than the 63% of Republican men who said the same.

Republican women also stand out for the 62% of them who said they oppose laws that allow abortion at any time during pregnancy in cases of rape or incest. They are the only group to voice majority opposition to that. Fifty-nine percent of Republican men, for example, said they would support such a law.

And Republican women are the only group to say overwhelmingly that life begins at conception. About three-quarters said so, compared with less than half of Republican men and a third of Democratic women.

It's a reminder that Republican women, in many ways, are the backbone of the movement opposing abortion rights.

Here's an interesting theory of why more men than women support abortion rights. It's all about getting themselves out of hot water when they can't keep their pecker out of a woman and unintentionally impregnate her:

[www.theguardian.com]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand some women can actually both think for themselves, and believe abortion is wrong. Actually, I do to some extent, but come on.
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