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Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: hal
Date: June 08, 2021 09:30PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 08, 2021 09:54PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 08, 2021 09:58PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 08, 2021 10:06PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 08, 2021 10:27PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 09, 2021 12:46AM
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hal
How far does this thing go? How about ancient Greeks and Romans? Many things named after those folks, many of them owned slaves. I'm pretty much content with letting the young generation decide these things. I don't see a need to change names of birds, but I'm an old guy whose opinion isn't really important.
[www.washingtonpost.com]
As with the wider field of conservation, racism and colonialism are in ornithology’s DNA, indelibly linked to its origin story. The challenge of how to move forward is roiling White ornithologists as they debate whether to change as many as 150 eponyms, names of birds that honor people with connections to slavery and supremacy.
The Bachman’s sparrow, Wallace’s fruit dove and other winged creatures bear the names of men who fought for the Southern cause, stole skulls from Indian graves for pseudoscientific studies that were later debunked, and bought and sold Black people. Some of these men stoked violence and participated in it without consequence.
Even John James Audubon’s name is fraught in a nation embroiled in a racial reckoning. Long the most recognized figure in North American birding for his detailed drawings of the continent’s species, he was also an enslaver who mocked abolitionists working to free Black people.
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: June 09, 2021 05:53AM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 09, 2021 08:24AM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: June 09, 2021 08:47AM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 09, 2021 09:48AM
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PeterB
. Audubon is indeed a special case, here's a good essay on the subject: [www.audubon.org]
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: June 09, 2021 10:16AM
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$tevie
@#$%& like this makes a mockery out of things such as addressing monuments to the Confederacy and the obliteration of the history of enslaved people and their descendents. I hate this stuff because it gives the right wing plenty of fodder to make fun of being "woke" and "libtard" while serving no purpose in regards to moving forward to find proper responses to serious issues. It trivializes things.
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: kj
Date: June 09, 2021 12:43PM
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mrbigstuff
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$tevie
@#$%& like this makes a mockery out of things such as addressing monuments to the Confederacy and the obliteration of the history of enslaved people and their descendents. I hate this stuff because it gives the right wing plenty of fodder to make fun of being "woke" and "libtard" while serving no purpose in regards to moving forward to find proper responses to serious issues. It trivializes things.
That and it's easy, and allows the privileged folks to point and say how they are "working" on something.
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: kj
Date: June 09, 2021 12:49PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: June 09, 2021 01:06PM
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Lemon Drop
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PeterB
. Audubon is indeed a special case, here's a good essay on the subject: [www.audubon.org]
Excellent essay, thank you. Dr. Lanham is a fellow South Carolinian and I admire him very much.
[www.clemson.edu]
I agree with him, the (mostly) wealthy white people who fund the Audubon groups need to decide what they want to be.
PS; this conversation is also happening in the plant world, there is a push to rename plants with racially charged names, I'm all for it.
Is it the highest priority issue in the realm of racial equity and overcoming white supremacy? No of course not, but if you're Black and a botanist or an ornithologist it's your world and we need to make the changes. The fact that something is inconvenient or difficult can't be the reason for not doing it.
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 09, 2021 02:17PM
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Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 09, 2021 03:21PM
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vision63
This is ALL distraction.
Nobody's life or living is in the breech here. Just a bunch of panties in wads.
In the meantime, a sneaky coup-attempt is being masterminded against all of the American people.
jeezusfukinchrist
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 09, 2021 03:56PM
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Yes. We have let this coup sneak up on us for years and years and we are at the moment of truth. But sure, let's worry about bird names.Quote
vision63
This is ALL distraction.
Nobody's life or living is in the breech here. Just a bunch of panties in wads.
In the meantime, a sneaky coup-attempt is being masterminded against all of the American people.
jeezusfukinchrist
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 09, 2021 04:15PM
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$tevie
Yes. We have let this coup sneak up on us for years and years and we are at the moment of truth. But sure, let's worry about bird names.Quote
vision63
This is ALL distraction.
Nobody's life or living is in the breech here. Just a bunch of panties in wads.
In the meantime, a sneaky coup-attempt is being masterminded against all of the American people.
jeezusfukinchrist
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 09, 2021 05:36PM
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Lemon Drop
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$tevie
Yes. We have let this coup sneak up on us for years and years and we are at the moment of truth. But sure, let's worry about bird names.Quote
vision63
This is ALL distraction.
Nobody's life or living is in the breech here. Just a bunch of panties in wads.
In the meantime, a sneaky coup-attempt is being masterminded against all of the American people.
jeezusfukinchrist
We'll talk about whatever we want on a hot summer afternoon.
Start a thread about "the coup" because I'm pretty sure nobody here has heard of Donald Trump or the threats to democracy. It never comes up.
Re: Do we need to change the names of birds that were named after people who owned slaves?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 09, 2021 09:10PM
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If you think the best use of your time is to comb through ornithological books, Google every bird name, and figure out which ones are named for slave owners, knock yourself out. Because that's what these people are doing and it's called "@#$%&".Quote
Lemon Drop
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$tevie
Yes. We have let this coup sneak up on us for years and years and we are at the moment of truth. But sure, let's worry about bird names.Quote
vision63
This is ALL distraction.
Nobody's life or living is in the breech here. Just a bunch of panties in wads.
In the meantime, a sneaky coup-attempt is being masterminded against all of the American people.
jeezusfukinchrist
We'll talk about whatever we want on a hot summer afternoon.
Start a thread about "the coup" because I'm pretty sure nobody here has heard of Donald Trump or the threats to democracy. It never comes up.