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Re: Karen du jour
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 15, 2021 12:29PM
The police officer claims he does not have the ability to ask Elphick to leave.

I find that hard to believe.

He could certainly ask her to leave.

Anything more than that would be a matter of state law and department policy, of which I'm unaware.

Trying to keep to the actual language of accusations as much as possible, Black Woman (BW) stated she wanted the police to escort White Woman (WW) out of the store and mall, if I recall correctly and they said they couldn't do that.

The could escort BW out, if she wanted.

They don't work for her, they are not there to do her bidding.

I say Black woman used the word escort to mean remove.

The cop used the word escort to mean escort.

At this point, BW would appear to have no standing.

She has complained, rightfully so, but not filed a complaint.

Depending on state law, she could have WW arrested, but not just removed.

The manager of VS could tell police she wants WW removed as a trespasser, with or without filing an official complaint, but that didn't seem to happen.

By 'filing an official complaint' I mean telling the police I want WW charged with trespassing, which apparently didn't happen.

The shoving match or whatever it was would be battery under CA law, a misdemeanor.

As such, a police officer can't arrest for a misdemeanor not committed in their presence.

This might be the case in BW vs WW, I don't know.

In such cases a victim may make a citizen's arrest.

If one makes a good case to the police, they tell the suspect 'You're under arrest' and the suspect is cuffed and stuffed.

The onus and blowback on such an arrest is on the victim making the arrest, because the police didn't see it.

BW didn't do anything official that I could see, merely complained.

At this point, the only thing for the police to do, under the rule of law, would be to see that no criminal activity takes place from that point on.

Again, not knowing the state laws and PD regs and policies, I'd find fault with them as follows.

After getting the details from BW and VS staff, they should have talked to WW to see if she appeared to be 5150, basically a danger to herself or others.

If yes, then arrest and book for a psych eval, if no, move on.

Now ask VS staff, do you want her removed, and do you want to her charged with trespassing, yes no?

Now ask BW do you want to arrest her for battery, yes no?

If no to any arrest requests, then they tell WW 'You know you could be going to jail, why don't you take the rest of they day off' and request, encourage, advise she go home.

That didn't appear to happen, or if it did, it was edited out.

I did not watch all the video, as it was tedious.

I don't know if BW's claim of being a victim of White Privilege and police favoritism (she alleges BW has a relative who is a police lieutenant) (?) is accurate.

She didn't say if the police present were aware of that during her unfortunate altercation.

She probably should have given some thought before saying 'I don't care about her White kids'.

Were the roles and words reversed, WW would have been branded an obvious racist, even without the police rushing in and gunning down BW.

Now I'm curious about the purpose of the GoFundMe defense account.

Defending BW from what?

Litigation from WW?

Maybe, though that doesn't seem likely.

Is BW going to sue the police or WW?

That's offense, not defense.

I say WW threw a temper tantrum, which may or may not be indicative of deep emotional trauma, or just be an immature manipulative action learned over time.

I believe, at this point, had the police been more proactive within the rule of law, as they should have been, all of this could have easily been a nothing event.

But then we'd have no YT video and 'evidence' of White Devilry and privilege.

This is all from the prospective of this occurring under CA law, which could be more or less restrictive.

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Re: Karen du jour
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 16, 2021 06:51AM

"Understanding the stages of white tears"

One perspective. I think it rings true. Sad, but true.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2021 06:52AM by Lemon Drop.
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Re: Karen du jour
Posted by: kj
Date: July 16, 2021 12:14PM
"Now I'm curious about the purpose of the GoFundMe defense account.

Defending BW from what?

Litigation from WW?

Maybe, though that doesn't seem likely.

Is BW going to sue the police or WW?

That's offense, not defense."

That was the first thing I noticed. It says for her defense, but it appears she is saying she is suing the police department. It gives the impression the white lady is coming after her, which doesn't seem to be true.
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