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UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 17, 2021 12:57PM
[www.bbc.com]

"Mr Javid, who said he had received both vaccine doses, took a lateral flow test on Saturday morning after feeling a "bit groggy" on Friday night and it came back positive.

He said he is now self-isolating until he gets the results of a PCR test.

Meanwhile, England's deputy chief medical officer, Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, has warned of a "bumpy winter" ahead.

It comes as the UK recorded more than 50,000 daily cases for the second day running, days before almost all legal restrictions on social contact are lifted in England on Monday.

There were 54,674 cases - following 51,870 new cases on Friday - with 41 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test.

The last time cases exceeded 50,000 was in mid-January."
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Marc Anthony
Date: July 17, 2021 01:46PM
He may well have a breakthrough infection, but the article is misleading. What he tested positive for is a questionably reliable antibody screen. He is awaiting more specific and sensitive test results.

Edit: "antibody" should've been "antigen"



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2021 07:11PM by Marc Anthony.
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 17, 2021 02:00PM
....Winter.....is coming.......



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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 17, 2021 02:40PM
If he is reinfected, I wonder which vaccine he was inoculated with? Pfizer?...Astra Zenca?
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 17, 2021 02:42PM
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Steve G.
If he is reinfected, I wonder which vaccine he was inoculated with? Pfizer?...Astra Zenca?

AZ according to article
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 17, 2021 02:45PM
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mrbigstuff
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Steve G.
If he is reinfected, I wonder which vaccine he was inoculated with? Pfizer?...Astra Zenca?


AZ according to article


So the 'controversial' AstraZeneca's reputation gets even worse/
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 17, 2021 02:54PM
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Steve G.
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mrbigstuff
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Steve G.
If he is reinfected, I wonder which vaccine he was inoculated with? Pfizer?...Astra Zenca?


AZ according to article


So the 'controversial' AstraZeneca's reputation gets even worse/

Will these AZ folks then be able to try another vax so closely in time with the one they just received? Or, will they coast without getting very sick?
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 17, 2021 02:59PM
If you receive more than one type of vaccine, will the microchips cancel each other or will the signal just get a bit blurry?
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 17, 2021 03:04PM
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RgrF
If you receive more than one type of vaccine, will the microchips cancel each other or will the signal just get a bit blurry?


'The M1 vaccine is free.
The syringe is $4000, however'
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 17, 2021 03:05PM
Is that Tim Apple of Microsoft?
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 17, 2021 04:21PM
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Marc Anthony
He may well have a breakthrough infection, but the article is misleading. What he tested positive for is a questionably reliable antibody screen. He is awaiting more specific and sensitive test results.

Lateral flow test positive results in people with symptoms are highly accurate according to this article from GAVI.
The BBC article is very clear on his status, I didn't see anything misleading.

[www.gavi.org]
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 17, 2021 05:17PM
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RgrF
If you receive more than one type of vaccine, will the microchips cancel each other or will the signal just get a bit blurry?

If I whistle real hard, I can tune in the BBC, does that count? grinning smiley




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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: testcase
Date: July 17, 2021 10:55PM
facepalm
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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Marc Anthony
Date: July 18, 2021 08:32AM
Lemon Drop: It's not technically incorrect, but the BBC article implies something that's not within England's National Health Service's current guidance, which states rapid antigen tests (RATs) should be used "if you do not have symptoms." The Cochrane review referenced in your link indicates COVID RAT accuracy for those without symptoms is somewhere around 58%— a little better than a coin flip. The same review does demonstrate higher accuracy—78%—for those presenting with symptoms, but only if the test is performed a week after onset, where this test was administered a day after. Caveats of the study are that results were obtained in laboratory conditions—not point of care—and that accuracy varied among brands. While suggestive, a single positive RAT is not diagnostic.



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Re: UK's new Health Minister, fully vaccinated, tested positive for COVID today
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 18, 2021 09:03AM
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Marc Anthony
Lemon Drop: It's not technically incorrect, but the BBC article implies something that's not within England's National Health Service's current guidance, which states rapid antigen tests (RATs) should be used "if you do not have symptoms." The Cochrane review referenced in your link indicates COVID RAT accuracy for those without symptoms is somewhere around 58%— a little better than a coin flip. The same review does demonstrate higher accuracy—78%—for those presenting with symptoms, but only if the test is performed a week after onset, where this test was administered a day after. Caveats of the study are that results were obtained in laboratory conditions—not point of care—and that accuracy varied among brands. While suggestive, a single positive RAT is not diagnostic.

From the NHS website
[www.nhs.uk]

Regular rapid lateral flow coronavirus (COVID-19) tests

You can get regular rapid lateral flow tests if you do not have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19).

Why you should get tested regularly

About 1 in 3 people with COVID-19 do not have symptoms but can still infect others.

You should do a rapid test twice a week (every 3 to 4 days) to check if you have the virus. If people test positive and self-isolate, it helps stop the virus spreading.

Even if you’re vaccinated, there’s still a chance you can pass COVID-19 on, so you should keep getting tested regularly.

About rapid tests

The test for people without symptoms of COVID-19 is called a rapid lateral flow test.

This usually involves rubbing a long cotton bud (swab) over your tonsils (or where they would have been) and inside your nose.

Tests give a quick result using a device similar to a pregnancy test.

You can do a rapid test at home or at a rapid lateral flow test site.

Research shows rapid tests are 99.9% accurate. This means the chance of getting a false-positive result (where the result shows as positive but is actually negative) is extremely low.

If you test positive, you and anyone you live with will need to self-isolate. Find out about help and financial support while you're self-isolating."


So good thing he did this test so he could isolate and protect others while he awaits the PCR test.

So there are people with
access to these tests who take them regularly . A government minister would certainly be included, the royal family uses them, professional athletes, etc.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2021 09:13AM by Lemon Drop.
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