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Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 06:19PM
I've queried gun owners here at this forum about why they feel a need to own their guns. I've never received any answers. Consequently I'm positing my own theory.

The root motivation - and justification; conscious or subconscious - for gun ownership is FEAR.

- Fear of the “bad guy”
- Fear of the “others”
- Fear of all unknowns

This fear is expressed at three progressively obsessive states:
1. Caution: They might come!
2. Fear-manifest: They are coming!
3. Paranoia: They are here!


There are also ancillary, fear-related supporting motivations:
- Machismo/manliness - Fear of appearing weak, effeminate
- Peer pressure - Fear of ostracization, being excluded
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: hal
Date: July 19, 2021 06:29PM
you forgot the one that I hear the most...

why do you want to have a gun? Because it's my constitutional right! No other reason given.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 19, 2021 06:31PM
If you were a minority in the 1930's living in a town with an active Klan chapter, you might want to own a gun. Though back then you couldn't get Bushmaster with a 100 round mag.



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 06:38PM
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hal
you forgot the one that I hear the most...

why do you want to have a gun? Because it's my constitutional right! No other reason given.

That's not a "root motivation", that's an excuse, a rationalization.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Buzz
Date: July 19, 2021 06:40PM
So the "bad guys" fear me.
So the "others" fear me.
So the "unknowns" fear me.

And that makes me feel safe.
I hope the bad guys, others, and unknowns never have to find out how justified their fear of me should be.
But if they mean any harm to my loved ones, me, or our home, their fear should be great. Real great.
Your coin has two sides.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 06:40PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
If you were a minority in the 1930's living in a town with an active Klan chapter, you might want to own a gun. Though back then you couldn't get Bushmaster with a 100 round mag.

I believe that qualifies as "fear"; whether you were a target of Klan, or a member.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 19, 2021 06:48PM
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.



It is what it is.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 19, 2021 06:54PM

or maybe the alternate you's are out to get you
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 19, 2021 06:56PM
Depending on where they live, there's a "keeping up with the Jones" factor as well.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 19, 2021 06:57PM
I'd like to add "for fun/entertainment" to the list as well as "food supply." We have competitive shooting and trap shooting teams in High School as well as local trap clubs. Also, here in Wisconsin we do actually eat the animals that we shoot during hunting season. For some people what they hunt is the old meat they eat all year.



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: July 19, 2021 07:01PM
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Buzz
So the "bad guys" fear me.
So the "others" fear me.
So the "unknowns" fear me.

And that makes me feel safe.
==

Actually, the bad guys, others, and unknown are well aware that most gun owners are untrained, and more likely to shoot themselves.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 07:15PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.

Are you saying being Boy Scout makes one justifiably fearful and in need a gun?


But for the record...

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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 07:16PM
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RgrF
Depending on where they live, there's a "keeping up with the Jones" factor as well.

"- Peer pressure - Fear of ostracization, being excluded"
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 19, 2021 07:17PM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.

Are you saying being Boy Scout makes one justifiably fearful and in need a gun?

That's your take from my post? Explains a lot, perhaps.



It is what it is.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 07:20PM
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C(-)ris
I'd like to add "for fun/entertainment" to the list as well as "food supply." We have competitive shooting and trap shooting teams in High School as well as local trap clubs. Also, here in Wisconsin we do actually eat the animals that we shoot during hunting season. For some people what they hunt is the old meat they eat all year.

- Machismo/manliness - Fear of appearing weak, effeminate
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 19, 2021 07:26PM
Pew did some research on this a few years ago.
[www.pewresearch.org]

"Protection" is cited by the majority of gun owners as their main motivation.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 07:31PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.

Are you saying being Boy Scout makes one justifiably fearful and in need a gun?

That's your take from my post? Explains a lot, perhaps.

Well the first line was tongue-in-cheek; I was a Boy Scout.

What WAS your point?
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 07:33PM
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Lemon Drop
Pew did some research on this a few years ago.
[www.pewresearch.org]

"Protection" is cited by the majority of gun owners as their main motivation.

- Fear of the “bad guy”
- Fear of the “others”
- Fear of all unknowns
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 19, 2021 07:43PM
Protection.

The Washington Post laid it out pretty well a week or so ago:


‘Fear on top of fear’:
Why anti-gun Americans joined the wave of new gun owners
Pandemic, police violence, calls to ‘defund the police’ fuel surge of first-time buyers
[www.washingtonpost.com]
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Buzz
Date: July 19, 2021 08:30PM
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S. Pupp
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Buzz
So the "bad guys" fear me.
So the "others" fear me.
So the "unknowns" fear me.

And that makes me feel safe.
==

Actually, the bad guys, others, and unknown are well aware that most gun owners are untrained, and more likely to shoot themselves.

I was a Boy Scout (for a few years until an unfortunate, nasty incident perpetrated by our SPL), and while growing up, an older cousin was a rangemaster. I got my NRA Jr. Division Sharpshooter award before my bar mitzvah. Unlike the "most" you refer to, I am very well trained. My brother and one of his sons are first responders. His other son is a cop. Two other nephews are current active military.

I'm not a gun nut, but nuts with guns should fear me and much of my family. When handled and used properly, guns are a legal, effective deterrent, and protection device. Until all guns are effectively removed from the hands of all the nuts out there; I'm gonna keep mine at the ready. When the outlaws no longer have, or cannot any longer get guns, and other weapons, I'll happily rent a gun at the range for target shooting. We're never gonna solve the gun problem by wishing it away; we've got to neutralize the nuts with guns first and foremost, before the domestic gun problem can begin to be minimized.
==
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2021 09:02PM
Buzz how would anyone fear you? Do you advertise your capabilities, compellingly? The first goal is deterrence, yeah?
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 19, 2021 09:10PM
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Lemon Drop
Pew did some research on this a few years ago.
[www.pewresearch.org]

"Protection" is cited by the majority of gun owners as their main motivation.

I actually get that. It can be very scary when you hear someone maybe breaking into your house.

That being said, the thing I *don't* understand, and why I myself do not own a (real) gun, is why you can't use something less-lethal. I have pepper sprays galore... and a paintball gun which can take pepper balls, but have never had a need to use either.




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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 19, 2021 09:16PM
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Buzz
Until all guns are effectively removed from the hands of all the nuts out there; I'm gonna keep mine at the ready.

Is it possible to have firearms both safely secured AND at the ready?



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Buzz
Date: July 19, 2021 09:30PM
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deckeda
Buzz how would anyone fear you? Do you advertise your capabilities, compellingly? The first goal is deterrence, yeah?


The first goal is for my family and me to feel safer than we would if we didn't have protection.
As I said in my initial post;
"I hope the bad guys, others, and unknowns never have to find out how justified their fear of me should be.
But if they mean any harm to my loved ones, me, or our home, their fear should be great. Real great."


You leave me alone, I leave you alone.
No fear needed.
Or known.
Breach my perimeter with ill intentions; you may die.
If you fear death, then you'll leave me alone; you will not bring ill will into my home.
I will not be the first to bring ill intentions into any scenario; but I reserve the right to retaliate against those that do bring ill first.
Do unto others as you wish others to do unto you.
We'll all be fine.
==
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 19, 2021 09:58PM
Shooting was a skilled hobby.
Shooting was also for hunting … killing varmints on farms, killing for food.
And many of my guns were my father’s. For the same reason.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: davester
Date: July 19, 2021 10:02PM
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deckeda
Buzz how would anyone fear you? Do you advertise your capabilities, compellingly? The first goal is deterrence, yeah?

That was my first thought. Unless Buzz stands sentry in front of his house visibly armed to the teeth, it's completely illogical to suggest that the "bad guys, etc" fear him.

I also think that if you live in a place bad enough that you actually fear for your safety unless you have a weapon at the ready, it's also much more logical (and safer) to have nonlethal weapons that require less accuracy (i.e. pepper spray, taser) than guns. There's no logic involved in owning a gun for protection.



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 19, 2021 10:14PM
For the record, I agree with the OP.

The 'right' to own a gun has nothing to do with the motivation.

The NRA politicized this issue, and with foreign $$ to try to destabilize our country. It worked.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: July 19, 2021 10:47PM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.

Are you saying being Boy Scout makes one justifiably fearful and in need a gun?

That's your take from my post? Explains a lot, perhaps.

Well the first line was tongue-in-cheek; I was a Boy Scout.

What WAS your point?

methinks you don't remember much from your Scouting days...
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Don C
Date: July 19, 2021 11:18PM
DeusxMAC ... I see your Vietnam service medal there. When were you there and where were you located?
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 11:37PM
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SDGuy
methinks you don't remember much from your Scouting days...

It was a long, long time ago! Fill me in.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 19, 2021 11:42PM
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Don C
DeusxMAC ... I see your Vietnam service medal there. When were you there and where were you located?

1967 & 1970 - out of Danang
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 19, 2021 11:56PM
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DeusxMac
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Don C
DeusxMAC ... I see your Vietnam service medal there. When were you there and where were you located?

1967 & 1970 - out of Danang

Yet you sometimes seem almost sane, how'd that happen?

Oops almost forgot smiley-signs001



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 20, 2021 03:02AM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
One wonders whether DeusxMac was ever a Boy Scout.

Are you saying being Boy Scout makes one justifiably fearful and in need a gun?

That's your take from my post? Explains a lot, perhaps.

Well the first line was tongue-in-cheek; I was a Boy Scout.

What WAS your point?

Be prepared.



It is what it is.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 20, 2021 03:05AM
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DeusxMac
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Don C
DeusxMAC ... I see your Vietnam service medal there. When were you there and where were you located?

1967 & 1970 - out of Danang

Ah, this explain A LOT.

And what’s with representing your service bars as Boy Scout bars? I didn’t think I recognized those as being BSA.



It is what it is.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Buzz
Date: July 20, 2021 03:44AM
My point is, that I have no compassion for anyone bringing ill intentions to the party.
The iller the intentions, the swifter, and more severe the consequences that are warranted.
Those that choose.to do ill unto others before others can do ill unto them, deserve a bigger dose of their own medicine in some fashion in return.
I’m a big fan of nice.
If everybody does nice, nary a problem will there be.
Be nice. Or beware.
Simple enough.
==
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 20, 2021 07:53AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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Don C
DeusxMAC ... I see your Vietnam service medal there. When were you there and where were you located?

1967 & 1970 - out of Danang

Ah, this explain A LOT.

Care to clarify what you mean by that?

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N-OS X-tasy!
AAnd what’s with representing your service bars as Boy Scout bars? I didn’t think I recognized those as being BSA.

I didn’t catch the meaning of your “Boy Scout” reference, and gun-fun-guys all to frequently trot out one of their supposedly supportive arguments with a Macho/manliness (see OP) accusation of “What could he know? He’s probably never even held a gun”. They’ve done it right here in this Forum in the past.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 20, 2021 09:23AM
I don't have a gun. But maybe I benefit from the perception that in America, I might have a gun?
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 20, 2021 09:37AM
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DeusxMac
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C(-)ris
I'd like to add "for fun/entertainment" to the list as well as "food supply." We have competitive shooting and trap shooting teams in High School as well as local trap clubs. Also, here in Wisconsin we do actually eat the animals that we shoot during hunting season. For some people what they hunt is the old meat they eat all year.

- Machismo/manliness - Fear of appearing weak, effeminate

As someone who lives in a rural community where most own guns and many hunt or shoot for recreation, I really have to push back on this characterization. Sure more men than women hunt and shoot, but if you were raised to hunt deer and eat venison and it's safe and legal and you like it, that doesn't mean to you are insecure about gender identity.

I personally don't like hunting but it is not going away. And even though I've been a gun safety and responsibility advocate for most of my adult life, I do not oppose gun ownership. We have 2 in the house. Unloaded and locked up. I know how to use them. As a teen I was pretty good at shooting skeet. Which is an Olympic sport BTW. Never had the need and hope I never do, but the deputy can take 30 minutes to arrive out here.

Anyway, insulting gun owners is not the way to get them on board with responsibility laws. Which we desperately need in our country.



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 20, 2021 09:50AM
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mattkime
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Buzz
Until all guns are effectively removed from the hands of all the nuts out there; I'm gonna keep mine at the ready.

Is it possible to have firearms both safely secured AND at the ready?

Yes, absolutely. You can learn about this in a gun safety class. I've never wanted a loaded gun unlocked in the bedside table. That is nuts.

I would never advocate a gun purchase for someone not already trained and very familiar with firearms. But people are not going to stop buying and keeping them so we need the best possible gun responsibility laws to reduce crime, accidents and suicides.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 20, 2021 11:22AM
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Lemon Drop
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DeusxMac
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C(-)ris
I'd like to add "for fun/entertainment" to the list as well as "food supply." We have competitive shooting and trap shooting teams in High School as well as local trap clubs. Also, here in Wisconsin we do actually eat the animals that we shoot during hunting season. For some people what they hunt is the old meat they eat all year.

- Machismo/manliness - Fear of appearing weak, effeminate

As someone who lives in a rural community where most own guns and many hunt or shoot for recreation, I really have to push back on this characterization...doesn't mean to you are insecure about gender identity.

Just a little harmless recreation. No "Macho/masculinity" issues ever involved. RollingEyesSmiley5



And let's not forget all the "tactical" paraphernalia acquired by a portion of gun owners; pure Combat-Macho.

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Lemon Drop
We have 2 in the house... the deputy can take 30 minutes to arrive out here.

- Fear of the “bad guy” - Fear of the “others” - Fear of all unknowns

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Lemon Drop
...insulting gun owners is not the way to get them on board with responsibility laws. Which we desperately need in our country.

Many, many here have rebuked (insulted?) the tRump deplorables with the exact same statements - Fear of the “bad guy” Fear of the “others” Fear of all unknowns. Guess we've given up on getting "them on board"?

As an aside, I believe a Venn diagram of those fears would show significant overlap of tRumpettes and gun owners.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 20, 2021 12:50PM
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Lemon Drop
..As someone who lives in a rural community where most own guns and many hunt or shoot for recreation, I really have to push back on this characterization. Sure more men than women hunt and shoot, but if you were raised to hunt deer and eat venison and it's safe and legal and you like it, that doesn't mean to you are insecure about gender identity....
I like your comment !

I'm reminded that my father took my mother deer hunting as part of their honeymoon, and gave her a cut down lever action Winchester 30-30 as a wedding present. She took a very nice buck, and Dad got nothing. Then I'm reminded of Mom taking one of the farm herd with her crossbow from her front porch at the age of 80.

I personally stopped hunting when I accidentally shot my grandfather while quail hunting (one tiny pellet ricochet off a tree branch went under the skin on his face, he was find, just really angry). Hurting another human being...
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 20, 2021 01:08PM
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cbelt3
Shooting was a skilled hobby.
Shooting was also for hunting … killing varmints on farms, killing for food.
And many of my guns were my father’s. For the same reason.

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cbelt3
I personally stopped hunting when I accidentally shot my grandfather…

Irony? Denial? Cognitive dissonance?
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 20, 2021 01:14PM
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cbelt3
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Lemon Drop
..As someone who lives in a rural community where most own guns and many hunt or shoot for recreation, I really have to push back on this characterization. Sure more men than women hunt and shoot, but if you were raised to hunt deer and eat venison and it's safe and legal and you like it, that doesn't mean to you are insecure about gender identity....
I like your comment !

I'm reminded that my father took my mother deer hunting as part of their honeymoon, and gave her a cut down lever action Winchester 30-30 as a wedding present. She took a very nice buck, and Dad got nothing. Then I'm reminded of Mom taking one of the farm herd with her crossbow from her front porch at the age of 80.

I personally stopped hunting when I accidentally shot my grandfather while quail hunting (one tiny pellet ricochet off a tree branch went under the skin on his face, he was find, just really angry). Hurting another human being...

Thanks cbelt!
Your Mom sounds like quite a shot.

Yeah those hunting mishaps do sometimes change people's mind about the sport.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 20, 2021 01:29PM
Fear of the cops not arriving in time has never made any sense to me. If your world is that volatile, your guns stay loaded and laying within easy reach at all times. Anything less would be unacceptably unreliable.

Trying to thread the needle of plausibility to where they are safe and out of reach yet instantly available (define that any way you wish) is pure cognitive dissonance, with a huge dollop of false sense of security. Irony, that. Against that backdrop we have everything cited as dangerous to “good people” about firearms.

***
I live in a rural area, where it’s assumed everyone is armed and so everyone is less dangerous as a result. The implication is that everyone lives in fear of their neighbor by necessity and no one wants to be the punk without a bang stick. The same person who outlined this scenario for me also admitted in the same breath that if someone did break in or snuck up on them while he was out mowing the lawn or at Walmart (hey, gotta keep it handy at all times to be of any use, right??) that the bad guy would just as likely get the drop on him.

When the last part goes missing … failure to admit hubris … is what will kill us all.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 20, 2021 01:39PM
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deckeda
Fear of the cops not arriving in time has never made any sense to me. If your world is that volatile, your guns stay loaded and laying within easy reach at all times. Anything less would be unacceptably unreliable.

Trying to thread the needle of plausibility to where they are safe and out of reach yet instantly available (define that any way you wish) is pure cognitive dissonance, with a huge dollop of false sense of security. Irony, that. Against that backdrop we have everything cited as dangerous to “good people” about firearms.

***
I live in a rural area, where it’s assumed everyone is armed and so everyone is less dangerous as a result. The implication is that everyone lives in fear of their neighbor by necessity and no one wants to be the punk without a bang stick. The same person who outlined this scenario for me also admitted in the same breath that if someone did break in or snuck up on them while he was out mowing the lawn or at Walmart (hey, gotta keep it handy at all times to be of any use, right??) that the bad guy would just as likely get the drop on him.

When the last part goes missing … failure to admit hubris … is what will kill us all.

I don't know a soul who thinks like that. I don't fear any of my neighbors, quite the opposite. I don't go around armed. Ever. I live in a very low crime area, like most Americans. Don't ever expect to use a gun. But I don't mind that it is safely there.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 20, 2021 03:58PM
Hence my point, the safer it is the less likely it can be used.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: kj
Date: July 20, 2021 04:10PM
Why do you change your oil? Fear? Why do you brush your teeth? Fear? Why do you go bowling? Fear (of boredom)? You're kind of putting forth your theory of behavior, especially motivation, and your idea is probably as old as people. Freud's pleasure principle, etc., only you are trying to explain everything with one construct. Obviously a little on the simplistic side, obviously inadequate, and really boring.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 20, 2021 06:08PM
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kj
Why do you change your oil? Fear? Why do you brush your teeth? Fear? Why do you go bowling? Fear (of boredom)?

Those actions/activities are not "fear" driven, they're for the avoidance of known and certain undesirable outcomes. Gun ownership is driven by fear of unknown and uncertain outcomes.

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kj
You're kind of putting forth your theory of behavior, especially motivation...you are trying to explain everything with one construct. Obviously a little on the simplistic side, obviously inadequate, and really boring.

"Everything"? Absolutely not! "Gun ownership" was the OP subject only.

The "motivation" for eating isn't "fear" of starvation, it's normally occurring hunger.
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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: testcase
Date: July 20, 2021 06:13PM
"why do you want to have a gun? Because it's my constitutional right! No other reason given."


It's like VOTING. Because it IS a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, NO other reason need be given.



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Re: Thesis on the motivation for gun ownership
Posted by: hal
Date: July 20, 2021 06:15PM
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testcase
(hal said) "why do you want to have a gun? Because it's my constitutional right! No other reason given."


It's like VOTING. Because it IS a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, NO other reason need be given.

toldya...



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