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We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: August West
Date: July 28, 2021 03:31PM
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We’re Ben and Jerry. Men of Ice Cream, Men of Principle.



Apologies to the anonymous forum member affected by my previous sig pic. It was my personal pic of a country expressing great grief as their leader, one of the most recognized people in the world, lay on his deathbed 8 years ago, days before he died. Like a naif, I did not realize it was offensively political, I considered it an expression of deep emotion and a reminder of the mortal coil's nature; that we all, great and small, can only hope to make a difference in our short time here, no matter the personal cost.

I'll post another pic from my work in South Africa that is, hopefully, apolitical.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2021 03:33PM by August West.
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 28, 2021 04:25PM
should have known something was up when they introduced 'Yasir Arafudge'

Maybe Jerry is feeling residual guilt from growing up mere blocks away on the white side of the heavily segregated Merrick-Freeport divide that still persists to a large degree on Long Island.

I strongly disagree with many of of the West Bank policies, but I feel that the company's decision is an effort to discredit Israel as a nation and perhaps with unintended knock-on effects against Jews around the world. (Which includes both Ben and Jerry).



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2021 04:30PM by Steve G..
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 28, 2021 05:33PM
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Steve G.
should have known something was up when they introduced 'Yasir Arafudge'

How was it?



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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 28, 2021 06:30PM
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mattkime
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Steve G.
should have known something was up when they introduced 'Yasir Arafudge'

How was it?

Slimy with a bitter aftertaste
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 28, 2021 07:46PM
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Steve G.
Maybe Jerry is feeling residual guilt from growing up mere blocks away on the white side of the heavily segregated Merrick-Freeport divide that still persists to a large degree on Long Island.

There's no guilt for having left that place. I know it well. Merrick is one of the most evil racist and classist towns in the East.

They held ANTI-BLM protests.

God bless anyone who makes it out of that hell-hole with a shred of morality.



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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 28, 2021 09:07PM
Ben & Jerry's ambition is to stay woke enough to keep their loudest customers from discouraging others to not eat Ben & Jerry's.

What do I win??
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 28, 2021 10:29PM
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vision63
Ben & Jerry's ambition is to stay woke enough to keep their loudest customers from discouraging others to not eat Ben & Jerry's.

What do I win??
Ben & Jerry have no further or future personal financial interest in promoting B & J - they got their money with an agreement the company would not, in future, become just another corporate actor.
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 28, 2021 11:31PM
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RgrF
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vision63
Ben & Jerry's ambition is to stay woke enough to keep their loudest customers from discouraging others to not eat Ben & Jerry's.

What do I win??
Ben & Jerry have no further or future personal financial interest in promoting B & J - they got their money with an agreement the company would not, in future, become just another corporate actor.

I know Unilever owns them. But they supposedly allow the company to run independent of them. Makes sense since that's why they bought 'em.
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 29, 2021 01:03AM
Why the supposedly?

You suspect something other than their apparent explanation or is it just your ongoing disdain for anything you see as progressive being damaging to your electoral politics?
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 29, 2021 01:15AM
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RgrF
Why the supposedly?

You suspect something other than their apparent explanation or is it just your ongoing disdain for anything you see as progressive being damaging to your electoral politics?

Who knows what the actual truth is. You can only go by actions and deeds.

I don't really have politics. I just have truths. boink smiley
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: August West
Date: July 29, 2021 08:40AM
Whose truths? coffee smiley



Apologies to the anonymous forum member affected by my previous sig pic. It was my personal pic of a country expressing great grief as their leader, one of the most recognized people in the world, lay on his deathbed 8 years ago, days before he died. Like a naif, I did not realize it was offensively political, I considered it an expression of deep emotion and a reminder of the mortal coil's nature; that we all, great and small, can only hope to make a difference in our short time here, no matter the personal cost.

I'll post another pic from my work in South Africa that is, hopefully, apolitical.

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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 29, 2021 11:24AM
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August West
Whose truths? coffee smiley

Aaassk the questionnnn...

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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 29, 2021 01:20PM
Please specify what you disagree with...

But it’s possible to support Israel and oppose some of its policies, just as we’ve opposed policies of the U.S. government. As such, we unequivocally support the decision of the company to end business in the occupied territories, which a majority of the international community, including the United Nations, has deemed an illegal occupation.

I think this a reasonable statement.

Behind the Wall
By Bennett Cohen and Jerry Greenfield

Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenfield founded Ben & Jerry’s Homemade Holdings in 1978.

We are the founders of Ben & Jerry’s. We are also proud Jews. It’s part of who we are and how we’ve identified ourselves for our whole lives. As our company began to expand internationally, Israel was one of our first overseas markets. We were then, and remain today, supporters of the State of Israel.

But it’s possible to support Israel and oppose some of its policies, just as we’ve opposed policies of the U.S. government. As such, we unequivocally support the decision of the company to end business in the occupied territories, which a majority of the international community, including the United Nations, has deemed an illegal occupation.

While we no longer have any operational control of the company we founded in 1978, we’re proud of its action and believe it is on the right side of history. In our view, ending the sales of ice cream in the occupied territories is one of the most important decisions the company has made in its 43-year history. It was especially brave of the company. Even though it undoubtedly knew that the response would be swift and powerful, Ben & Jerry’s took the step to align its business and operations with its progressive values.

That we support the company’s decision is not a contradiction nor is it anti-Semitic. In fact, we believe this act can and should be seen as advancing the concepts of justice and human rights, core tenets of Judaism.

Ben & Jerry’s is a company that advocates peace. It has long called on Congress to reduce the U.S. military budget. Ben & Jerry’s opposed the Persian Gulf war of 1991. But it wasn’t just talk. One of our very first social-mission initiatives, in 1988, was to introduce the Peace Pop. It was part of an effort to promote the idea of redirecting 1 percent of national defense budgets around the world to fund peace-promoting activities. We see the company’s recent action as part of a similar trajectory — not as anti-Israel, but as part of a long history of being pro-peace.

In its statement, the company drew a contrast between the democratic territory of Israel and the territories Israel occupies. The decision to halt sales outside Israel’s democratic borders is not a boycott of Israel. The Ben & Jerry’s statement did not endorse the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement.

The company’s stated decision to more fully align its operations with its values is not a rejection of Israel. It is a rejection of Israeli policy, which perpetuates an illegal occupation that is a barrier to peace and violates the basic human rights of the Palestinian people who live under the occupation. As Jewish supporters of the State of Israel, we fundamentally reject the notion that it is anti-Semitic to question the policies of the State of Israel.

When we left the helm of the company, we signed a unique governance structure in the acquisition agreement with Unilever back in 2000. That structure is the magic behind both Ben & Jerry’s continued independence and its success. As part of the agreement, the company retained an independent board of directors with a responsibility to protect the company’s essential brand integrity and to pursue its social mission.

We believe business is among the most powerful entities in society. We believe that companies have a responsibility to use their power and influence to advance the wider common good. Over the years, we’ve also come to believe that there is a spiritual aspect to business, just as there is to the lives of individuals. As you give, you receive. We hope that for Ben & Jerry’s, that is at the heart of the business. To us, that’s what this decision represents, and that is why we are proud that 43 years after starting an ice cream shop in a dilapidated gas station in Burlington, Vt., our names are still on the package.



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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: August West
Date: July 29, 2021 01:41PM
Not sure if this is/was directed at me, but I'm in alignment with B&J.



Apologies to the anonymous forum member affected by my previous sig pic. It was my personal pic of a country expressing great grief as their leader, one of the most recognized people in the world, lay on his deathbed 8 years ago, days before he died. Like a naif, I did not realize it was offensively political, I considered it an expression of deep emotion and a reminder of the mortal coil's nature; that we all, great and small, can only hope to make a difference in our short time here, no matter the personal cost.

I'll post another pic from my work in South Africa that is, hopefully, apolitical.

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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 29, 2021 02:19PM
I thought they articulated their POV very well, as American Jews who generally support Israel's government but disagree on the occupied territories of the West Bank. No idea if these business decisions will exert pressure in favor of their desired outcome, that will be interesting to see.
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Re: We're Ben & Jerry Op-Ed
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 01, 2021 02:19PM
good comment:
"Ben and Jerry's is working on giving Vermont Back to the Indians"
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