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24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 25, 2021 11:04AM
Huh?

I have questions.

EL CAJON, Calif. — 

At least 24 students from the Cajon Valley Union School District in El Cajon and 16 parents are stranded in Afghanistan after taking a summer trip abroad

[www.latimes.com]
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 25, 2021 11:05AM
Planned to spend the summer in Kamp Kandahar? Are these people crazy?
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 25, 2021 11:10AM
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: samintx
Date: August 25, 2021 11:10AM
_________________ beats what country for a vacation? Afghanistan, of course. Second choice, Syria.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 25, 2021 11:21AM
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Steve G.
Planned to spend the summer in Kamp Kandahar? Are these people crazy?

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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Ted King
Date: August 25, 2021 11:24AM
facepalm



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: davester
Date: August 25, 2021 11:32AM
My guess would be that these are Afghani expats who were visiting relatives.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: August 25, 2021 11:34AM
Conspicuously absent from that LA Times story are:
1. Why Afghanistan?
2. Why Afghanistan THIS summer?

Given that the story says "with their families" and "the missing students attend different schools in the 28-school district in eastern San Diego County" I'd bet the students and their families are ALL Afghani.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: August 25, 2021 12:03PM
Those kids are not going to complain about the school dress code anymore...

Seriously, what could possibly have made that seem like a good idea? Even if they were visiting family, the parents should have known better than anyone the idiocy of doing so.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: JoeH
Date: August 25, 2021 12:12PM
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Ombligo
Those kids are not going to complain about the school dress code anymore...

Seriously, what could possibly have made that seem like a good idea? Even if they were visiting family, the parents should have known better than anyone the idiocy of doing so.

If they are Afghani expats visiting relatives, they may have thought this Summer was the last chance to do so before the Taliban took over again. That the Taliban would take over again was pretty much inevitable given the deal made by the orange disappointment last year. But that it would be so quick might not have been so obvious.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Ted King
Date: August 25, 2021 12:29PM
I hope the school district required the parents that went and the parents of the kids that went to sign waivers that they release the school district from liability. If any of the students and/or parents that went are Afghan they could have gone on their own dime and taken on their own liability.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 25, 2021 12:45PM
This probably falls into the '...seemed like a good idea at the time' category.






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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 25, 2021 02:22PM
They're actually from El Cajon, that's about 15 miles east of San Diego. A large Arabic community has grown and established themselves there. Lots of newcomers over the past two decades as refugees from the Middle East and Africa get out of those places. Afghanis are just one of several groups.

And it's probably somewhat like annual the mass exodus of Mexican families during the Christmas break. They go to Mexico to see family for the holidays, but their holidays extend far into January. As a result, these students are often MIA during the first few weeks of January.

Even if Mexico is a dangerous place these days, it's nowhere near the level of dangerous that Afghanistan is experiencing right now. Apparently, when these families went over, towards the beginning of the summer, they felt safe. And they'd planned to back home by the start of the school year last week.

Things change. Now they're not. It's not clear from any of the stories what the citizenship status of these vacationers might be. Some may be naturalized citizens while others may only have visas. Conjecture is that they knew the pullout was coming, wanted to say some last good-byes, possibly rescue a few family members, but got caught in the return. It wasn't a school sanctioned trip or anything, but the district is doing its best to try to advocate for the students and families. It's a noble quest. The district could just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well". It's the right thing to do.

David Miyashiro, the Superintendent is a good person; the kind you want in charge of a school district and its programs. He'd go over there personally if he thought it might help.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Ted King
Date: August 25, 2021 03:02PM
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bfd
It wasn't a school sanctioned trip or anything, but the district is doing its best to try to advocate for the students and families. It's a noble quest. The district could just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well". It's the right thing to do.

David Miyashiro, the Superintendent is a good person; the kind you want in charge of a school district and its programs. He'd go over there personally if he thought it might help.

I didn't know that it wasn't school sanctioned - somehow I got the impression that it was. I take back my facepalm response posted above.

Good on the superintendent and rest of the district for doing whatever they can.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 25, 2021 03:09PM
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bfd
They're actually from El Cajon, that's about 15 miles east of San Diego. A large Arabic community has grown and established themselves there. Lots of newcomers over the past two decades as refugees from the Middle East and Africa get out of those places. Afghanis are just one of several groups.

And it's probably somewhat like annual the mass exodus of Mexican families during the Christmas break. They go to Mexico to see family for the holidays, but their holidays extend far into January. As a result, these students are often MIA during the first few weeks of January.

Even if Mexico is a dangerous place these days, it's nowhere near the level of dangerous that Afghanistan is experiencing right now. Apparently, when these families went over, towards the beginning of the summer, they felt safe. And they'd planned to back home by the start of the school year last week.

Things change. Now they're not. It's not clear from any of the stories what the citizenship status of these vacationers might be. Some may be naturalized citizens while others may only have visas. Conjecture is that they knew the pullout was coming, wanted to say some last good-byes, possibly rescue a few family members, but got caught in the return. It wasn't a school sanctioned trip or anything, but the district is doing its best to try to advocate for the students and families. It's a noble quest. The district could just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well". It's the right thing to do.

David Miyashiro, the Superintendent is a good person; the kind you want in charge of a school district and its programs. He'd go over there personally if he thought it might help.

Thanks for the added details.

I just hope that they are all US passport holders.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: hal
Date: August 25, 2021 03:29PM
btw, something I learned this week:

Afghani is the currency used in Afghanistan
Afghan is a person from Afghanistan
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 25, 2021 03:39PM
Fortunately, the Afghan Hound is actually originally from Afghanistan.

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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: RgrF
Date: August 25, 2021 07:10PM
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bfd
Fortunately, the Afghan Hound is actually originally from Afghanistan.


Back in the 70s we had one of those hounds. Foisted on us by her brother & his partner who discovered how "not cute" it was to have a large show dog in a small NYC apt. Brought her with us to a Fourth of July celebration - a high strung dog that was skittish before the fireworks was a complete basket case after.

What followed was amusing. B-I-L pleaded that we find it some sort of dog therapy. Dog therapy? Where did he think we were in NYC? We were in a blue collar Boston suburb, bad enough we had a show dog, I'd of been laughed out of town if the locals found out I was looking for a doggy "head-shrinker".

I agreed but at a 100% premium with the vet - we got a $ for every $ the vet got so I booked the most expensive vet in (a different) town - the bill ran into a healthy four figures, 1970 $.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: August 25, 2021 07:55PM
Never mind. bfd covered it.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: $tevie
Date: August 25, 2021 10:14PM
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bfd
Fortunately, the Afghan Hound is actually originally from Afghanistan.

That was the dog of choice for hippies in my area. I saw so many during the seventies. Now I never see them except for pics or on tv.
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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: August 26, 2021 05:06AM
Further reports acknowledge it is not a school sponsored trip but rather Afghan parents and children going to see family and now caught in the mess. The school is just trying to help them get back. Some are on visa's, some with green cards, some are naturalized citizens.



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Re: 24 San Diego area students and their parents stranded in Afghanistan
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: August 26, 2021 08:01PM
I've visited and toured their school district and met with their leadership. Amazing people and amazing schools, not the least of which is their superintendent. Glad to see that they are doing everything they can to help.

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