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Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 09, 2021 10:13AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: p8712
Date: September 09, 2021 10:25AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: September 09, 2021 10:58AM
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Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 09, 2021 11:08AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: GGD
Date: September 09, 2021 11:17AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: September 09, 2021 11:35AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: September 09, 2021 11:44AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: JoeH
Date: September 09, 2021 11:47AM
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GGD
So will this include all Senate and Congress members and their staffs?
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 09, 2021 11:48AM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 09, 2021 02:24PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: numbered
Date: September 09, 2021 03:22PM
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Posted by: Michael
Date: September 09, 2021 04:14PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 09, 2021 04:16PM
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Posted by: rgG
Date: September 09, 2021 04:17PM
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Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 09, 2021 04:59PM
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Grateful11
I don't have a problem with it but I can see it going to the Supreme Court.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 09, 2021 05:05PM
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Posted by: p8712
Date: September 09, 2021 05:29PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 09, 2021 05:57PM
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I was just looking at the Wapo article. All federal workers, of course, but also *all federal contractors* which is several million more people.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: GGD
Date: September 09, 2021 06:13PM
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Posted by: rgG
Date: September 09, 2021 06:54PM
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GGD
If someone gets fired for not being vaccinated, will they qualify for unemployment? Should they? Should vaccination be a requirement for collecting unemployment if any federal funds are used?
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 09, 2021 07:06PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 09, 2021 07:09PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: p8712
Date: September 09, 2021 07:33PM
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mattkime
I think this is a bold move. Its not clear to me how it will play out. I would have been content to leave it be. We're going to watch a bunch of nutcases get wacky. There will likely be unified republican opposition.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 09, 2021 08:00PM
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Posted by: p8712
Date: September 09, 2021 08:05PM
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I’d rather work shortstaffed than work with idiots that will not take it.
I remember reading about a staten island hospital with 50% vaccination rate among the staff. Its a real possibility.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 09, 2021 08:44PM
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Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 09, 2021 08:49PM
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RgrF
A SCOTUS decision following the 1918 pandemic upheld the government's power and ability to mandate vaccines - so there's that.
Have neither the time nor inclination to research and link to it - so there's also that
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 09, 2021 10:56PM
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mattkime
I think this is a bold move. Its not clear to me how it will play out. I would have been content to leave it be. We're going to watch a bunch of nutcases get wacky. There will likely be unified republican opposition.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 10, 2021 09:38AM
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deckeda
If someone tries to make an argument that vaccinations for school children are somehow different than ones allowing adult employment, that can’t go very far given that the underlying principles are the same.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 10, 2021 09:42AM
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RgrF
A SCOTUS decision following the 1918 pandemic upheld the government's power and ability to mandate vaccines - so there's that.
Have neither the time nor inclination to research and link to it - so there's also that
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: p8712
Date: September 10, 2021 11:27AM
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GGD
If someone gets fired for not being vaccinated, will they qualify for unemployment? Should they? Should vaccination be a requirement for collecting unemployment if any federal funds are used?
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 10, 2021 11:43AM
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I think this is a bold move. Its not clear to me how it will play out. I would have been content to leave it be. We're going to watch a bunch of nutcases get wacky. There will likely be unified republican opposition.
S Pupp and Lemon Drop relocate to the gates of hell
On the bright side, it looks like 17 million healthcare workers will have to get the vaccine or lose their jobs. I’d rather work shortstaffed than work with idiots that will not take it.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 10, 2021 12:51PM
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If someone gets fired for not being vaccinated, will they qualify for unemployment? Should they? Should vaccination be a requirement for collecting unemployment if any federal funds are used?
I see it is being handled as an OHSA requirement. Can't collect unemployment if you don't comply and lose your job.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: hal
Date: September 10, 2021 01:09PM
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Posted by: sekker
Date: September 10, 2021 03:24PM
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From politico:
The Surprisingly Strong Supreme Court Precedent Supporting Vaccine Mandates
In 1905, the high court made a fateful ruling with eerie parallels to today: One person’s liberty can’t trump everyone else’s.
[www.politico.com]
Henning Jacobson, a 50-year-old minister, put his faith in his own liberty. Back in his native Sweden, he had suffered a bad reaction to a vaccine as an infant, struggling for years with an angry rash. Now he was an American citizen, serving as pastor of the Swedish Lutheran Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts. That gave him the full protections of the U.S. Constitution.
So when the Cambridge board of health decided that all adults must be vaccinated for smallpox, Jacobson sought refuge in the Constitution’s promise that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”
The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 10, 2021 04:01PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 10, 2021 04:40PM
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Ted King
If Covid was killing 20% of the people that got infected, most of the freedumb people would be calling for infected people and unvaccinated people to be placed in concentration camps. Okay that's a bit too much hyperbole but closer to the truth than most of them would want to believe. Remember the panic - with Trump as a head chicken head - around people coming back from Africa with even a suspicion of having Ebola? Once again we hear some people talk that anyone should be able to do what they want about masks and vaccines as though that is an inviolable principle but if they faced a 20% fatality rate of a communicable disease they'd ditch that "inviolable principle" in a heartbeat.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: September 10, 2021 05:15PM
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 10, 2021 05:47PM
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Ted King
If Covid was killing 20% of the people that got infected, most of the freedumb people would be calling for infected people and unvaccinated people to be placed in concentration camps. Okay that's a bit too much hyperbole but closer to the truth than most of them would want to believe. Remember the panic - with Trump as a head chicken head - around people coming back from Africa with even a suspicion of having Ebola? Once again we hear some people talk that anyone should be able to do what they want about masks and vaccines as though that is an inviolable principle but if they faced a 20% fatality rate of a communicable disease they'd ditch that "inviolable principle" in a heartbeat.
You would find yourself making rational argument to an irrational group of cultists - good luck with that.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 10, 2021 11:10PM
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Mr Downtown
Doing it as an OSHA regulation—assuming some circuit court doesn't stay the enforcement—is sneaking it through the Commerce Clause gate opened up a couple of decades ago.
Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 11, 2021 11:48PM
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If someone gets fired for not being vaccinated, will they qualify for unemployment? Should they? Should vaccination be a requirement for collecting unemployment if any federal funds are used?
That is a good question.
I think it would be fair to say that they do not get unemployment, but not sure what the law is on this.