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Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: p8712
Date: September 10, 2021 05:58PM
Hitler woulda won with 100x larger army, too!
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Greatest strategist of all? “Well, he’s a loser,” Seidule responded. “He wasn’t just defeated; his army was destroyed. The idea that he’s the greatest strategist of all is just ludicrous.”

War would have been over in a day? If it had, Seidule argued, then slavery may have survived. Emancipation wasn’t U.S. policy until 1863. “So the fact that Lee was able to keep the war going as long as it did helped add to the eventual destruction of that which he fought for.”

Lee chose the Confederacy because of his great love of Virginia? Seidule said Lee was one of eight U.S. Army colonels from Virginia at the time of secession in 1861. The other seven remained loyal to the United States — as did Virginian Winfield Scott, the U.S. Army’s commander, and 80 percent of all colonels from the South. “Lee’s the outlier,” Seidule said. That may be because at that level of Army officers “no one benefited from slavery more than he did.” Lee ran an enslaved-labor farm — a plantation — from 1857 to 1860. He wasn’t even a resident of Virginia for most of his prewar life; Alexandria, his hometown, was part of the District of Columbia until 1847.

Would have won but for Gettysburg? The day after Gettysburg, Ulysses S. Grant triumphed at Vicksburg, giving the U.S. Army control of the Mississippi River and splitting the Confederacy. Lee’s army couldn’t function without thousands of enslaved people working as servants or in factories and on farms, and after Vicksburg, Seidule said, “they lose all that enslaved labor” as the U.S. Army pushed into the South.

Greatest unifying force after the war? Grant called Lee’s actions “forced acquiescence” that was “grudging and pernicious.” Though more conciliatory than others, Lee testified to Congress in 1866 that Black residents “cannot vote intelligently” and that “it would be better for Virginia if she could get rid of them.” In 1868, Lee joined in issuing the White Sulphur Springs manifesto, which argued that Black people had “neither the intelligence nor the qualifications … for political power.” Argued Seidule: “His idea of reconciliation is only if the White South is given complete political control over Black people.”

Afghanistan would have been a total victory under the “genius” Lee? If the U.S. military had suffered the same casualty rate in Afghanistan that Lee’s army did, 200,000 American troops would have been killed, not the actual 2,400. Some 400,000 would have been injured or captured instead of 20,000 injured.

“No one has lost more completely in American history than Robert E. Lee,” Seidule said. “There is no general that has been more crushed, more defeated, at the strategic, tactical, operational level. … How much genius does it take to lose absolutely and completely?”
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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 10, 2021 06:54PM
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p8712
How much genius does it take to lose absolutely and completely?”





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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: bfd
Date: September 10, 2021 08:50PM
Yet he's venerated all over the South … even to this day. You can almost taste the angst of the white population at seeing all of these Confederate statues - and particularly Lee's - coming down.
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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 10, 2021 09:27PM
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Sarcany
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p8712
How much genius does it take to lose absolutely and completely?”


Love it!



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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: steve...
Date: September 10, 2021 11:32PM
The reality star pseudo president (loser) also thought that Hitler did some good things.




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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: Spock
Date: September 11, 2021 07:06AM
Can't his statue be re-erected alongside Benedict Arnold's ?



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Re: Robert E. Lee was a stone-cold loser
Posted by: bfd
Date: September 11, 2021 12:21PM
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Spock
Can't his statue be re-erected alongside Benedict Arnold's ?

And make Mexico pay for it ??!!
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