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I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 21, 2021 05:46PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 21, 2021 06:09PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: testcase
Date: September 21, 2021 06:23PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: btfc
Date: September 21, 2021 06:25PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Rolando
Date: September 21, 2021 06:52PM
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btfc
Perhaps immigration courts that function efficiently, fairly, and humanely.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 21, 2021 07:05PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: September 21, 2021 07:37PM
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btfc
Perhaps immigration courts that function efficiently, fairly, and humanely.
I can’t even imagine how many courts we would need to handle cases in a timely manner.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 21, 2021 07:50PM
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Ted King
Imagine if we had spent a fraction of the several trillion dollars we spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on investments in infrastructure for our neighbors to the South.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 21, 2021 07:56PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 21, 2021 08:00PM
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Imagine if we had spent a fraction of the several trillion dollars we spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on investments in infrastructure for our neighbors to the South.
We have a military budget that is twice the combined budgets of Russia, China, France, North Korea, South Korea, Great Britain and Australia. We just decided to spend a trillion+ dollars to bolster the economy and could spend twice that if needed.
We can afford to pay for border security and support immigrant needs, we just choose not to do that. Immigrants are easy political targets for right-wingers worldwide but none so much as here.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 21, 2021 09:03PM
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Ted King
Imagine if we had spent a fraction of the several trillion dollars we spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on investments in infrastructure for our neighbors to the South.
We have a military budget that is twice the combined budgets of Russia, China, France, North Korea, South Korea, Great Britain and Australia. We just decided to spend a trillion+ dollars to bolster the economy and could spend twice that if needed.
We can afford to pay for border security and support immigrant needs, we just choose not to do that. Immigrants are easy political targets for right-wingers worldwide but none so much as here.
“Can EU citizens work anywhere in Europe?
As an EU citizen, you have the right to move to any EU country to live, work, study, look for a job or retire. You can stay in another EU country for up to 3 months without registering there but you may need to report your presence. The only requirement is to hold a valid national identity card or passport.”
We could do the same for this hemisphere.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 21, 2021 09:20PM
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testcase
... The "American Dream" is weakened by illegals for all those who "jumped through the hoops" to enter legally. ..
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 21, 2021 09:29PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 21, 2021 09:29PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 21, 2021 09:46PM
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deckeda
Congress treats it as "not invented here" issue. They don't do anything because they don't know what they WANT to do
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... The "American Dream" is weakened by illegals for all those who "jumped through the hoops" to enter legally. ..
Nah that makes no difference whatsoever. Someone's lied to you, repeatedly. Study up on Ellis Island sometime. We handled that pretty well.
"OK, your name now is ... ______" Done.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 21, 2021 09:50PM
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mrbigstuff
We should be a country of a billion people. Yes, I'm serious.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 21, 2021 10:01PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 21, 2021 10:35PM
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If I were from Haiti, I'd be trying everything I could to make it to the United States. I can't imagine my life as one of them.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 21, 2021 10:42PM
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We should be a country of a billion people. Yes, I'm serious.
Well, maybe not a billion. Much of Alaska is not all that hospitable. But we could easily double our population although that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 21, 2021 11:20PM
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If I were from Haiti, I'd be trying everything I could to make it to the United States. I can't imagine my life as one of them.
So would I.
The fact that these people have been in South and Central America and are now being taken back to Haiti seems especially cruel.
Again, I don’t know what the answer is, but leaving them under a bridge or taking them back to Haiti both seem like bad choices.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Wags
Date: September 22, 2021 12:16AM
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mrbigstuff
We should be a country of a billion people. Yes, I'm serious.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 22, 2021 05:43AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 22, 2021 06:43AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 06:57AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 22, 2021 07:08AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: samintx
Date: September 22, 2021 09:16AM
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Ted King
Imagine if we had spent a fraction of the several trillion dollars we spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on investments in infrastructure for our neighbors to the South.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 22, 2021 10:15AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 22, 2021 10:27AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 10:32AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
We have tens of thousands of homeless in every big metro area. Where are the Haitians, Syrians, Afghanis, and Central Americans going to live?
The environment is having problems with the 7 billion people it has now. If the US had a billion people, that would put the total population over 20 billion. Yes, we theoretically have the technology to feed that many but I can only imagine dystopian cities with families living in stacks of 100 sqft cubes slowly crumbling into the raising oceans.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 22, 2021 11:10AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
We have tens of thousands of homeless in every big metro area. Where are the Haitians, Syrians, Afghanis, and Central Americans going to live?
The environment is having problems with the 7 billion people it has now. If the US had a billion people, that would put the total population over 20 billion. Yes, we theoretically have the technology to feed that many but I can only imagine dystopian cities with families living in stacks of 100 sqft cubes slowly crumbling into the raising oceans.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 22, 2021 11:29AM
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Speedy
But we could easily double our population although that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 11:42AM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 22, 2021 12:05PM
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Lemon Drop
Here's an interview with Matt Yglesias about his 2020 book, One Billion Americans.
[www.vox.com]
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 22, 2021 12:45PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 12:50PM
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Here's an interview with Matt Yglesias about his 2020 book, One Billion Americans.
[www.vox.com]
"...Harvard University, where he studied philosophy."
"approached [American politics and public policy issues] from an abstract, philosophical perspective."
"...suggests that a substantial increase to the population of the United States is necessary to perpetuate American hegemony."
NYT "...the premise for vastly increasing the US population is impossible and unjustified."
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: kj
Date: September 22, 2021 12:54PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 01:04PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 22, 2021 01:21PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: kj
Date: September 22, 2021 01:32PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 22, 2021 02:01PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: JoeH
Date: September 22, 2021 02:27PM
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testcase
When an illegal sneaks in, they are committing a FELONY. The "American Dream" is weakened by illegals for all those who "jumped through the hoops" to enter legally.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 22, 2021 02:52PM
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rgG
I think truly open borders is not possible or a good idea.
You can’t have people coming and going with no rules at all.
The problem we have now is that there are laws on the books but we either can’t, won’t, or choose not to enforce them. We also choose not to update and change them. Congress is mostly to blame for this lack of inaction. Congress is broken. They no longer compromise or consider the greater good it’s all partisan politics, all the time. I think there is more blame for the republicans, but the Democrats are not without fault either. I am sick of it.
I have always thought that making places like Mexico, and other close countries, better places to live, would be a great start to helping control illegal immigration from the south, but there are a lot of obstacles to that. We get into the whole “nation building” debacle, really quickly.
Again, no easy fix, but neither are a lot of things. Who is going to pick up this torch and actually get something done, or will we just wait for the next news cycle? I am betting can kicking wins, again.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 22, 2021 04:11PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: bfd
Date: September 22, 2021 05:12PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 22, 2021 05:59PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 22, 2021 06:35PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 22, 2021 08:19PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 22, 2021 08:24PM
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But we could easily double our population although that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
"Easily"??
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We could not "easily double":
- Our housing
- Our electrical grid
- Our fresh water supply
- Our food supply and distribution
- Our school systems
- Our healthcare systems
- Our civic support systems:
-- fire and police departments
-- sewage systems
-- recycling and solid wastes systems
-- public transit
-- street and highway maintenance
...and hundreds and hundreds of other needs!
The "inconvenient truth" is that resources are NOT infinite.
Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 22, 2021 09:22PM
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Re: I have no idea how we should handle illegal immigration
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 22, 2021 10:04PM
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