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Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 15, 2021 03:06PM
Attorneys for Nikolas Cruz told circuit judge Elizabeth Scherer that he will plead guilty Wednesday to 17 counts of first-degree murder in the February 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. The pleas will come with no conditions and prosecutors still plan to seek the death penalty. That will be decided by a jury, but that trial has not been scheduled.

[www.theguardian.com]

While it is refreshing to see him take responsibility, it is also very surprising when the death penalty is on the table. The last time I can recall guilty pleas in such a high profile case would be Danny Rollings guilty plea to the murder of five University of Florida students in the early 90s'



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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: hal
Date: October 15, 2021 03:20PM
This might poke a hole in the 'whole thing was faked' story... unless Cruz was in on it all along!
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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 15, 2021 03:24PM
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This might poke a hole in the 'whole thing was faked' story... unless Cruz was in on it all along!

Are you referring to the crisis actors? Of course Cruz was in on it all along; that’s why he pleaded guilty. That’s also why there isn’t going to be a sentencing trial anytime soon.



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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 16, 2021 06:50AM
That’s also why there isn’t going to be a sentencing trial anytime soon.


Not that there routinely is sentencing 'anytime soon' after a conviction in a capitol crime sentencing.

That said, I'm heartened to see the death sentence as an option, and would it would be appropriate to see the defendant on the table.





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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: October 16, 2021 10:58AM
Even if he gets the death penalty he'll be dead of old age before the appeals are exhausted.

Which is why even in Texas they don't much bother with it anymore given the expense of the above.
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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Racer X
Date: October 17, 2021 07:35PM
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Bill in NC
Even if he gets the death penalty he'll be dead of old age before the appeals are exhausted.

Which is why even in Texas they don't much bother with it anymore given the expense of the above.

But paying to house them for life is CHEAPER?



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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: October 17, 2021 07:48PM
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Bill in NC
Even if he gets the death penalty he'll be dead of old age before the appeals are exhausted.

Which is why even in Texas they don't much bother with it anymore given the expense of the above.

But paying to house them for life is CHEAPER?

Yes. By a whole lot.

Typically just housing death row inmates is at least 50% more expensive because death row prisoners are usually housed in a separate facility away from other prisoners so a whole separate staff is needed just for them.

And of course the trial is a whole lot more expensive even before appeals:

[ballotpedia.org]

“Capital cases involve more lawyers, more witnesses, more experts, a longer jury selection process, more pre-trial motions, an entirely separate trial for sentencing, and countless other expenses,” summarizes Equal Justice USA, an organization that advocates the abolition of the death penalty.

A 2013 study, published by the University of Denver Criminal Law Review, examined the costs associated with the death penalty prior to the appeals stage in Colorado. The study found that most of the costs were related to the greater length of trials involving capital punishment. Examining prosecutions for aggravated murder between 2005 and 2010, the authors found that cases in which prosecutors sought the death penalty lasted an average of 148 days from pre-trial motions to sentencing. Cases in which prosecutors sought life in prison were significantly shorter, lasting on average 24 days.


Plus, putting almost anyone in state-prison supports the for-profit prison system that makes it a point to dehumanize, heinously torture and kill people without consequence even as they drain families of the incarcerated for every penny that could have gone towards improving their lots in life and elevating them out of the life that made their loved ones become criminals in the first place.

Soooo win, win?



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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: JoeH
Date: October 19, 2021 11:31AM
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Racer X
But paying to house them for life is CHEAPER?

As Sarcany posted, yes it costs a lot more. Studies much older than the one he cited have shown this for decades.
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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 19, 2021 12:49PM

call me a traditionalist
but my views are clear
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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: October 19, 2021 03:50PM
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But paying to house them for life is CHEAPER?

As Sarcany posted, yes it costs a lot more. Studies much older than the one he cited have shown this for decades.

But don’t those death penalty costs include all the legal/court costs incurred by innumerable appeals after the judgement and sentencing?
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Re: Parkland school shooter to plead guilty
Posted by: JoeH
Date: October 19, 2021 04:16PM
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JoeH
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Racer X
But paying to house them for life is CHEAPER?

As Sarcany posted, yes it costs a lot more. Studies much older than the one he cited have shown this for decades.

But don’t those death penalty costs include all the legal/court costs incurred by innumerable appeals after the judgement and sentencing?

Those costs for appeals just make it even more expensive. As the study Sarcany cited stated, most of the extra costs were incurred during the trial and sentencing phases. A large part of that comes from the average death penalty case taking an average of nearly 5 months from pre-trial to sentencing as compared to less than a month for murder cases going for life in prison.
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