At least that the best translation of military speak that I can come up with...

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Any active-duty Navy service members who do not get fully vaccinated or do not have an approved or pending exemption will be processed for an honorable separation without involuntary separation, according to NAVADMIN 225/21, released by Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Lescher and Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. John Nowell.

Service members in the Ready Reserve Navy will need to be fully vaccinated by Dec. 28.

In order to meet the deadline, active duty members must receive their second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, if receiving the two-shot Pfizer or Moderna version, by Nov. 14, according to a Thursday Navy news release. A person is not fully vaccinated until 14 days after receiving the second shot.

For members in the reserve, the deadline to receive the second shot is Dec. 14.

Those who are separated for refusing the vaccine will be discharged with no lower than a general discharge under honorable conditions, according to the Navy release.

Bet Klinger wishes he'd had that simple option.

They should at least lose their GI Bill benefits - especially Tri-Care and Education

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Seems (to me) that they are refusing a lawfully given order, namely getting immunized. Hardly something to be honorable discharged for. That would have been called insubordination back before immunizations became political statements.

They're giving up their career for it, seems enough.

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Bet Klinger wishes he'd had that simple option.

Klinger wasn't in the Navy ....

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Ombligo
They should at least lose their GI Bill benefits - especially Tri-Care and Education

Would even those discharged normally be eligible for TriCare? It appears it’s essentially only for active duty (and thus non-discharged) and retired service members.
[tricare.mil]

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They're giving up their career for it, seems enough.

That assumes they were going to make it their career; the vast majority of enlisted and officers do NOT.

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Ombligo
They should at least lose their GI Bill benefits - especially Tri-Care and Education

Soldiers/sailors have fewer employment options outside of service than one might think.

Military contractors hire a lot of them.

But contractors require vaccination.

So a lot of these guys are trading for a career flipping burgers.

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general discharge under honorable conditions


The CNO should make that the highest possible option, and only with the most mitigating circumstances.

Given they fall under the UCMJ, a DD would be in order.

At one time, a DD would have severely limited employment options, but I don't know if that's still the case.

It's true that most servicemen and women don't reup after their initial enlistment, and many who do don't make past 13yrs anyway.

I have to wonder how career-minded anyone would be who refused to be vaccinated.

If one is getting released kicked out they don't deserve GUHCD, nor any veterans benefits or preference.

Sometimes military personnel are not allowed to reenlist, but that can be without fault of the enlistee.

Being deployed overseas, how many military personnel have refused other vaccinations required for a given deployment.

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Ombligo
They should at least lose their GI Bill benefits - especially Tri-Care and Education

Would even those discharged normally be eligible for TriCare? It appears it’s essentially only for active duty (and thus non-discharged) and retired service members.
[tricare.mil]

Yep, no Tricare unless active duty or Guard/Reserve (dirt-cheap premium for Tricare Reserve Select) or military retired.

In place of tri-care, I meant VA care - especially for anything covid related. They should get their discharge paper and nothing more at all.

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“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.” -- François de La Rochefoucauld

"Those who cannot accept the past are condemned to revise it." -- Geo. Mathias

Do sailors who refuse direct orders typically get rewarded with an honorable discharge? I’d have thought dishonorable. It just shows how much this life and death issue has been converted into some sort of political affiliation decision.



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Ombligo
In place of tri-care, I meant VA care - especially for anything covid related. They should get their discharge paper and nothing more at all.

VA medical is NOT automatically available to ALL former military, regardless of discharge status. There must be a SERVICE CONNECTED disability to qualify.

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Do sailors who refuse direct orders typically get rewarded with an honorable discharge? I’d have thought dishonorable. It just shows how much this life and death issue has been converted into some sort of political affiliation decision.

This.

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It is what it is.

It is one way to get rid of the worst right-wingers onboard ships.

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It is one way to get rid of the worst right-wingers onboard ships.


It's also a way for someone to get out of the military obligation for which they signed up.

A DD is another way to get rid of them.

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I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

Not that the DoD needs my opinion, but

If they have received vaxes in the past, and are refusing this one, without a previous medical or religious exemption on the books, you are outta here. DD for refusing a direct order.

I have never served, but generations of men in my family did. I DID work as a contractor for a Defense Contractor working on military weapons systems. Some of the best times of my life working in the SUCK.

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