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I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 02, 2021 10:35PM
There is a dearth of election results for today's VA election for Governor.

But two I've found (one shown below) show 51-48, Youngkin.

If this turns out to be the final vote, did he win be cause not enough dems turned out, or because there weren't enough dems to pull it off, because there are more repubs in VA?

I've love to wake up tomorrow to find the election went another way, and see MCAULIFFE WINS and it's not a mistake, even though repub mistrust would hit the 'proverbial' fan.

I've got a bad felling about this.


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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: vision63
Date: November 02, 2021 11:36PM
We're not gonna win 'em all.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: November 03, 2021 12:14AM
"White fear" and "replacement conspiracy."



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 03, 2021 12:14AM
We're not gonna win 'em all.


True dat, but still...

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Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

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all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 03, 2021 02:34AM
It wasn't turnout, turnout was better than expected.

Early turnout analysis indicates that most vote "blocks" came close to replicating the last Presidential numbers - except white women. In 2020 they split about even Dem/GOP with an edge Biden, this time they went something like 56/42 GOP/Dem.

These are early raw numbers and could change but it seems that white middle class women bought the GOP CRT sales pitch, that pitch is nothing more than racism. In one form or another the GOP has been playing that same Willy Horton theme for the past 35 years.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 03, 2021 03:00AM
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RgrF
It wasn't turnout, turnout was better than expected.

Early turnout analysis indicates that most vote "blocks" came close to replicating the last Presidential numbers - except white women. In 2020 they split about even Dem/GOP with an edge Biden, this time they went something like 56/42 GOP/Dem.

These are early raw numbers and could change but it seems that white middle class women bought the GOP CRT sales pitch, that pitch is nothing more than racism. In one form or another the GOP has been playing that same Willy Horton theme for the past 35 55 years.

FTFY.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Sam3
Date: November 03, 2021 05:59AM
Where was the BLM movement? CRT is a direct attack on BLM, but yet, no BLM protests, nothing. It's as if BLM was a just trendy thing to do last year because everything was in a lockdown.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 03, 2021 07:17AM
The result didn't surprise me at all, saw it coming.

The 10-point Biden win means nothing. He won Virginia not because he was a dream candidate, he won because he wasn't Trump. Unless the Dems wakeup and stop fighting each other to pass something, the midterms will be ugly. At this point, they better start worrying about 2024 as well.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 03, 2021 07:31AM
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable. The other voting blocs went down the expected routes, with white men leading the way to Republicans as usual.

WaPo’s Editorial outlined why he won but it reads more like in order to be successful, Youngkin would have to do things as a governor he didn’t campaign on, which makes sense.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: November 03, 2021 08:14AM
And so the cult grows.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: November 03, 2021 08:27AM
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 03, 2021 08:58AM
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deckeda
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable.

Anecdotal evidence that I've seen supports this.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 03, 2021 09:25AM
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Lux Interior
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deckeda
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable.

Anecdotal evidence that I've seen supports this.

And that likely would not have happened if McAuliffe had not given the GOP a gift by saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"

A stupid statement that never should have been said.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 03, 2021 09:36AM
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Lux Interior
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deckeda
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable.

Anecdotal evidence that I've seen supports this.

And that likely would not have happened if McAuliffe had not given the GOP a gift by saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"

A stupid statement that never should have been said.

You really should Google the sentence he said immediately prior to that one.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 03, 2021 09:37AM
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Lux Interior
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deckeda
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable.

Anecdotal evidence that I've seen supports this.

To clarify, my statement was from looking at exit interview results (I don’t know anyone in VA directly.)
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 09:40AM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Rolando
Date: November 03, 2021 10:31AM
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SDGuy

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


There used to be a term for enslaved persons who took the side of the slaver over the other oppressed....what was that term?



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 03, 2021 10:53AM
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deckeda
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Ombligo
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Lux Interior
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deckeda
Enough white women accepted the lie that rogue school boards were set to endorse phantom issues that Youngkin looked more reasonable.

Anecdotal evidence that I've seen supports this.

And that likely would not have happened if McAuliffe had not given the GOP a gift by saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"

A stupid statement that never should have been said.

You really should Google the sentence he said immediately prior to that one.

ahh, but in political advertising, the context doesn't matter. He said the sentence and that is all that mattered. It was a "Deplorable" statement.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Bernie
Date: November 03, 2021 11:03AM
The Container with McAuliffes votes from Chyna, that is stuck off Southern California, hasn't been unloaded yet.

Mail in votes will still pour in until end of week as any and all Postmarked Election Day will be counted.

Just saying the fat lady has yet to arrive.




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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: November 03, 2021 11:18AM
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Rolando

There used to be a term for enslaved persons who took the side of the slaver over the other oppressed....what was that term?

Doesn't matter.

They won't be reading Harriet Beecher Stowe in Virginia schools.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 03, 2021 11:58AM
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Bernie
The Container with McAuliffes votes from Chyna, that is stuck off Southern California, hasn't been unloaded yet.

Mail in votes will still pour in until end of week as any and all Postmarked Election Day will be counted.

There are may Qonservatives who are disappointed they can't pull out The Big Lie on this one. They are almost disappointed with the win.

Almost.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 03, 2021 12:57PM
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Lux Interior
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Bernie
The Container with McAuliffes votes from Chyna, that is stuck off Southern California, hasn't been unloaded yet.

Mail in votes will still pour in until end of week as any and all Postmarked Election Day will be counted.

There are may Qonservatives who are disappointed they can't pull out The Big Lie on this one. They are almost disappointed with the win.

Almost.

To be sure. I’ve already seen several curious comments elsewhere by people convinced McAuliffe will dispute the election. Conservatives, not supporters saying this.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: deckeda
Date: November 03, 2021 01:07PM
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SDGuy
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

Maybe ask the ghost of Herman Cain. Or Tom Scott, who gives lip service to civil protections. Ditto Clarence Thomas. Black leaders who enslaved Black citizens in other countries. Or why Amorosa what’s-her-name’s previous support of Trump. It’s not about racism. Common to all: The pursuit of power above all else.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 01:44PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

Maybe ask the ghost of Herman Cain. Or Tom Scott, who gives lip service to civil protections. Ditto Clarence Thomas. Black leaders who enslaved Black citizens in other countries. Or why Amorosa what’s-her-name’s previous support of Trump. It’s not about racism. Common to all: The pursuit of power above all else.

You left out that "soldier for white supremacy", Condoleeza Rice...
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: August West
Date: November 03, 2021 02:15PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

Maybe ask the ghost of Herman Cain. Or Tom Scott, who gives lip service to civil protections. Ditto Clarence Thomas. Black leaders who enslaved Black citizens in other countries. Or why Amorosa what’s-her-name’s previous support of Trump. It’s not about racism. Common to all: The pursuit of power above all else.

You left out that "soldier for white supremacy", Condoleeza Rice...

So, you believe there is no racism in Virginia, SD?

Or do you believe that because there are African-American elected officials there is no racism?

Why don't you put yourself on the record about racism and its effects in this context?



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ted King
Date: November 03, 2021 02:19PM
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SDGuy
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


What is the purpose of asking that question?



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 02:45PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


What is the purpose of asking that question?

well - you'll have to ask rjmacs that - pretty sure that's who brought the topic of race into this thread
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 03, 2021 02:45PM
To the Trumpateers, it is not about the race of the candidates, it is all about the little R or D after their name.

Kim Il Sung (D-NK) is a socialist pedophile pizza lover.
Kim Il Sung (R-NK) is a member of the US House.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 02:47PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

Maybe ask the ghost of Herman Cain. Or Tom Scott, who gives lip service to civil protections. Ditto Clarence Thomas. Black leaders who enslaved Black citizens in other countries. Or why Amorosa what’s-her-name’s previous support of Trump. It’s not about racism. Common to all: The pursuit of power above all else.

You left out that "soldier for white supremacy", Condoleeza Rice...

So, you believe there is no racism in Virginia, SD?

Or do you believe that because there are African-American elected officials there is no racism?

Why don't you put yourself on the record about racism and its effects in this context?

well - some of us don't look at every facet of life through the lens of skincolor...and others apparently still do.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ted King
Date: November 03, 2021 03:22PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


What is the purpose of asking that question?

well - you'll have to ask rjmacs that - pretty sure that's who brought the topic of race into this thread

That is a deflection from my question.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: November 03, 2021 03:33PM
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Ombligo
To the Trumpateers, it is not about the race of the candidates, it is all about the little R or D after their name.

To white voters in Virginia, it's all about whether their kids learn that black people are human and have rights.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 03:42PM
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rjmacs
Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


What is the purpose of asking that question?

well - you'll have to ask rjmacs that - pretty sure that's who brought the topic of race into this thread

That is a deflection from my question.

? - it's quite clear that rjmacs attributed the win (presumably including Winsome Sears) to "racist backlash"...what is YOUR point?
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: Ted King
Date: November 03, 2021 03:57PM
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Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?


What is the purpose of asking that question?

well - you'll have to ask rjmacs that - pretty sure that's who brought the topic of race into this thread

That is a deflection from my question.

? - it's quite clear that rjmacs attributed the win (presumably including Winsome Sears) to "racist backlash"...what is YOUR point?

I just wanted to be clear that what your question was meant to communicate (IOW, it was rhetorical) is that rjmacs' assertion that the results of the election was in part due to a racist backlash is repudiated by the fact that a Republican black woman won in the same election. I think a lot of how this gets analyzed is in what each person using the word "racist" in this context intends the word to mean.



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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 03, 2021 04:05PM
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...I just wanted to be clear that what your question was meant to communicate (IOW, it was rhetorical) is that rjmacs' assertion that the results of the election was in part due to a racist backlash is repudiated by the fact that a Republican black woman won in the same election...

yes - precisely; I think too many folks see racism behind every little thing, even in the face of events that are contrary to what they are asserting.
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Re: I have a bad feeling about the Virginia governor vote today.
Posted by: August West
Date: November 04, 2021 09:23AM
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Racist backlash plus Democrats running an unexciting candidate. In a twist, the new Lt. Gov.-elect is a Black woman who ran Trump's reelection bid in VA. She's the first woman to win statewide in the commonwealth.

So - this is the face of racism in Virginia?

Maybe ask the ghost of Herman Cain. Or Tom Scott, who gives lip service to civil protections. Ditto Clarence Thomas. Black leaders who enslaved Black citizens in other countries. Or why Amorosa what’s-her-name’s previous support of Trump. It’s not about racism. Common to all: The pursuit of power above all else.

You left out that "soldier for white supremacy", Condoleeza Rice...

So, you believe there is no racism in Virginia, SD?

Or do you believe that because there are African-American elected officials there is no racism?

Why don't you put yourself on the record about racism and its effects in this context?

well - some of us don't look at every facet of life through the lens of skincolor...and others apparently still do.

Well, as many understand, inaction is an action. With the history of race relations in this country, I believe not recognizing its influence in the public forum is akin to burying one's head in the sand. At best.



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