This does not bode well through the holiday season.

Who's getting covid at this point?

We live in a high vax area but I guess there are still plenty of unvaxxed to send the numbers upwards

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Pretty much same here, obviously. Plenty of people are getting COVID, vaccinated and non. The difference is they aren't requiring hospitalization or dying.

Pretty soon here, I hope, we are going to have a enough treatment options that we will be able to treat this like the flu and get rid of quarantine requirements and what not.

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Pretty much same here, obviously. Plenty of people are getting COVID, vaccinated and non. The difference is they aren't requiring hospitalization or dying.

Pretty soon here, I hope, we are going to have a enough treatment options that we will be able to treat this like the flu and get rid of quarantine requirements and what not.

Unfortunately, those treatment options will not be enough for the elderly and immunocompromised.

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This does not bode well through the holiday season.

Who's getting covid at this point?

In MN, depending on age, ~75-90% of all Covid cases are now among the unvaccinated, and those are rarely serious.

Based on observed data from the Minnesota Department of Health, if you’re fully vaccinated, your chance of getting a breakthrough case is around 2.5%. Your chance of hospitalization from Covid is ~1 in 1000. Your chance of dying from Covid is ~2 in 10,000.

Here’s who’s getting Covid (in MN, same link):



Here’s who’s getting hospitalized:



Here’s who’s dying:



Covid is largely an entirely personal choice now, except that unvaccinated people are more likely to spread it to others, including responsible folks who’ve gotten off their duff and taken the shot to protect themselves, their families and their neighbors.

Just got my Moderna booster.

Youngest (11) gets second Pfizer in a couple weeks.

Oldest (17) is fully vaxxed. Wife just needs to get a booster, and I can relax (a little).

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C(-)ris
Pretty much same here, obviously. Plenty of people are getting COVID, vaccinated and non. The difference is they aren't requiring hospitalization or dying.

Pretty soon here, I hope, we are going to have a enough treatment options that we will be able to treat this like the flu and get rid of quarantine requirements and what not.

Yes, the pill is on its way, although it seems like we'll need to live through at least one more spike.

Only one more spike feels optimistic right now...

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The Germans are taking a practical (and realistic) approach to this winter:

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Germany's health minister has issued his starkest warning yet on the importance of getting vaccinated.

"By the end of this winter everyone in Germany will either be vaccinated, recovered or dead.”

No place to run. No place to hide. Make your choice.

Heading to a family event this week. It's likely most people we'll be interacting with will be vaxxed and/or have recovered, but I don't now that for certain. I haven't sourced a booster yet; I'm just over six months out, so I think I'm good. Ya'll can bookmark this as famous last words.

The difference is they aren't requiring hospitalization or dying.

A difference without a distinction to anit-vaxxers who want perfection or nothing at all.



In MN, depending on age, ~75-90% of all Covid cases are now among the unvaccinated, and those are rarely serious.


If I'm parsing that correctly, something else that won't motivate anti-vaxxers to change their mind.



By the end of this winter everyone in Germany will either be vaccinated, recovered or dead.


I like it.

I hope he can pull that off.

I don't imagine him garnering any support from MTG or the like.

Mandatory vaccination here is all but dead, and it's dying, from what I see.

I want that to change, but confidence is low.

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I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

Once we have the pill, can we stop treating this as a political issue and discuss it like any other medical issue on the main forum? Thanks

Once we have the pill, can we stop treating this as a political issue and discuss it like any other medical issue on the main forum? Thanks


I would hope that The Pill does in fact make this a nonpolitical issue and as such in can be discussed as a purely medical issue.

I would also hope that personal anecdotes of medical issues would not be turned into political discussions by anybody post them or contributing to them.

I will try to stop my share of such derailing.

Seriously.

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I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

A pill won’t make any difference. You’d have to go and take it somewhere, basically with an impartial witness. That brings them all right back to square one … unless all along this has truly only been about needle anxiety, which I doubt.

A pill or other medication may make a difference in treatment, but may make little difference in preventing transmission. The time gap between exposure and detection through symptoms or testing complicates making it effective against spreading the virus.

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space-time
Once we have the pill, can we stop treating this as a political issue and discuss it like any other medical issue on the main forum? Thanks

Right wingers have never politicized the use of medication.

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space-time
Once we have the pill, can we stop treating this as a political issue and discuss it like any other medical issue on the main forum? Thanks

Right wingers have never politicized the use of medication.

haha

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In MN, depending on age, ~75-90% of all Covid cases are now among the unvaccinated, and those are rarely serious.

Oops. Two thoughts collided in my mind, and garbage flew out of my keyboard. Should be:

In MN, depending on age, ~75-90% of all Covid cases are now among the unvaccinated.

and

Those that aren't (ie "breakthrough cases" in the vaccinated) are rarely serious ( - rarely; not never).

I guess I'm lucky. Folks around here are still wearing masks pretty much 100% in indoor spaces and our city vaccination rate is over 90%. The city's Covid site shows a very slight uptick in positive test results but hospitalizations are close to nonexistent.

Sadly, this is not the case in Montana where I visited a couple of months ago and had to go to the ER for a broken collarbone. The whole hospital was swamped with Covid cases with folks streaming into the ER triage station coughing up lungs. Fortunately they separated me from the suspected Covid cases.

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Folks around here are still wearing masks pretty much 100% in indoor spaces and our city vaccination rate is over 90%.

This is also true where I live.

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davester
Folks around here are still wearing masks pretty much 100% in indoor spaces and our city vaccination rate is over 90%.

This is also true where I live.

Sadly, it's not true where I live. I overheard my wife say that the hospital has gone to status red, which, I think, means that the ICU is at capacity and they will need to go into overflow. Vaccination rates just hit 70% for at least one shot, masking is anywhere from 80% (Apple store) to 20-30% (Dollar General). Costco is down to 50-60% while Meijer is at about 40% mask-wearers.

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Should be:

In MN, depending on age, ~75-90% of all Covid cases are now among the unvaccinated.

and

Those that aren't (ie "breakthrough cases" in the vaccinated) are rarely serious ( - rarely; not never).

Noted.



Folks around here are still wearing masks pretty much 100% in indoor spaces and our city vaccination rate is over 90%.


This is also true where I live.


Same here.

I even see a lot of people maskedup on the street.

I haven't checked to see what the vaccination rate is, though.

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I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

For masks, the situation where I'm at is not like the real world. I'm in a large college town where all people are required to wear masks indoors in all university buildings at all times (except when actively eating and drinking).

Of course, when the students are off campus, mask compliance isn't great.

Also, I do some driving of passengers in the area and still have some students who get picked up from one university building, going to another university building and they don't have a mask. How do you not have a mask? What the f?



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