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The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: December 12, 2021 09:28PM
And you can have one for Xmas for only $900

[apnews.com]
GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Florida man angry over his neighbors’ parking habits sprayed fire from a commercial flamethrower toward a car with three teenagers inside, police said. No one was hurt.

Andre Abrams, 57, of Gainesville is facing three counts of felony aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intending to kill, according to court records. He posted a $15,000 bond last week and is awaiting a decision whether prosecutors will formally file criminal charges.

The mother of one of the teens, Ashley Gainey, said Abrams frequently sprayed the flamethrower to scare off guests at her home. Gainey’s daughter, Nate’talya Baker, 16, fled the car with her friends as Abrams continued to spray flames toward them, police said.

“When he shoots it, it lights the whole road up,” Gainey said. “It’s like it’s daylight outside. He’ll do it in the middle of the night.”

In his arrest report, police identified the weapon in the Nov. 30 incident as an XM42 Lite Flamethrower, which shoots flames up to 20 feet and is manufactured by X Products LLC of Vancouver, Washington. It sells for about $900 online.

“You’ve probably wondered if you can own a flamethrower, and guess what? You can!” the company said in a promotional video last year. “No permits or licenses needed.” It said the devices are legal to buy and own in every state except Maryland or California.

The company — which also sells T-shirts identifying the wearer as a “little terrorist” — requires buyers to accept a liability waiver and affirm they were never convicted of a felony, domestic abuse or arson. Abrams was twice convicted of misdemeanor domestic battery after arrests in 2002 and 2004.

It wasn’t clear whether police had seized the flamethrower.
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: December 12, 2021 09:29PM
cont'd

In the U.S., there are no federal laws regulating the sale of flamethrowers, which are not considered firearms. A congressman in New York introduced a restrictive bill he called “Flamethrowers? Really?” in 2019 but the measure didn’t pass. Florida outlaws the manufacture or sale of shotgun shells called “dragon’s breath” that mimic flamethrowers by shooting a flame or fireball.

Abrams acknowledged that the incident stemmed from a long-running dispute over parking with a neighboring family. Police said he admitted shooting the flamethrower toward the vehicle but denied targeting the teens.

“This family, how could I say this — the worst thing that could ever happen to a neighborhood,” Abrams said. “They’ve had issues with other residents, and it needs to be brought to light.”

The driver of the parked car, Amari Singleton, told police she and her two passengers saw Abrams approach them with the flamethrower and begin spraying fire. Police said flames came within five feet of the vehicle as they escaped using the passenger’s side door.

“You better not burn up my car,” Singleton said, according to police.

Gainey, the mother of one of the teens, said she confronted him during the incident.

“He shot it toward them,” she said. “When I got to the door, he was still shooting it. I asked him, ‘What is your effin’ problem?’”
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Acer
Date: December 12, 2021 09:35PM
Was it one of Elon Musk's "Not A Flamethrower?"



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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: RgrF
Date: December 12, 2021 09:54PM
If a flame thrower isn't considered a firearm then language has lost all meaning! smiley_gun_sniper
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)*
Posted by: Rolando
Date: December 12, 2021 10:21PM
*Does not apply to non-whites!





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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Racer X
Date: December 12, 2021 11:13PM
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RgrF
If a flame thrower isn't considered a firearm then language has lost all meaning! smiley_gun_sniper

No projectile and explosive propellant. They are basically weed burners with a different shape.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Compressed gas or spring powered BB/pellet rifles or pistols aren't firearms either. "According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, if gas pressurization is achieved through mechanical gas compression rather than through chemical propellant combustion, then the device is technically an air gun, not a firearm.[55]"



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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: testcase
Date: December 12, 2021 11:59PM
That'll keep those damned kids off his lawn........ old fogey smiley
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: December 13, 2021 02:32AM
No projectile and explosive propellant.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I saw RgrF's comment as a clever play on words.


That'll keep those damned kids off his lawn........

Plant several of them around the lawn as motion activated tiki torches.




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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: December 13, 2021 06:35AM
...and thus the USA gave the rest of the world a yet another reason to laugh.

I'm getting tired of being an international laughing stock.
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Ammo
Date: December 13, 2021 11:20AM
OK,that’s it - I’m putting in an order for a couple of bazookas today. A man has the right to defend himself, right?



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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: pdq
Date: December 13, 2021 11:27AM
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Ammo
OK,that’s it - I’m putting in an order for a couple of bazookas today. A man has the right to defend himself, right?

It’s a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment. Good for both home and battle.
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: December 13, 2021 11:42AM
If we truly need AR-15’s and flamethrowers to protect ourselves in our own homes, something is truly sick with our value system as a country.
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: December 13, 2021 12:34PM
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S. Pupp
If we truly need AR-15’s and flamethrowers to protect ourselves in our own homes, something is truly sick with our value system as a country.

You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

Paul
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: December 13, 2021 01:06PM
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S. Pupp
If we truly need AR-15’s and flamethrowers to protect ourselves in our own homes, something is truly sick with our value system as a country.

Many people believe that all the minorities are coming for their wives & daughters.

No idea why they think that. I mean, who could be responsible?
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Janit
Date: December 13, 2021 06:26PM
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Lux Interior
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S. Pupp
If we truly need AR-15’s and flamethrowers to protect ourselves in our own homes, something is truly sick with our value system as a country.

Many people believe that all the minorities are coming for their wives & daughters.

No idea why they think that. I mean, who could be responsible?

It's not about protecting those wives and daughters. It's about masking their own insecurities.
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Re: The right to bear flamethrowers (in FL, natch)
Posted by: Wags
Date: December 13, 2021 09:24PM
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Janit
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Lux Interior
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S. Pupp
If we truly need AR-15’s and flamethrowers to protect ourselves in our own homes, something is truly sick with our value system as a country.

Many people believe that all the minorities are coming for their wives & daughters.

No idea why they think that. I mean, who could be responsible?

It's not about protecting those wives and daughters. It's about masking their own insecurities.

If you were meagerly endowed it used to be enough to drive a ginormous car.
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