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Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Ammo
Date: January 06, 2022 12:44PM
OPINION | COMMENTARY (U.S.)
Republicans’ Jan. 6 Responsibility
1-6-22 WSJ by Carl Rove

The GOP has a duty to condemn the riot and those who refuse to acknowledge it.

We’re in an acrimonious period of partisan tribalism and have been for some time. Both parties are guilty of overwrought denunciations of their political opponents. My criticisms are often aimed at Democrats; on the anniversary of Jan. 6, I’m addressing squarely those Republicans who for a year have excused the actions of the rioters who stormed the Capitol, disrupted Congress as it received the Electoral College’s results, and violently attempted to overturn the election.

These apologists say those who stormed the Capitol were innocent patriots, tourists visiting the seat of the national government to petition their elected representatives peacefully. We’re told that these harmless, ordinary Americans are being persecuted as political prisoners.

Let’s stipulate that while the thousands who went to the Capitol a year ago were wrong to insist the election was stolen, most weren’t violent as they exercised their First Amendment rights to gather peacefully on the Mall—just as I had seen liberals gather to protest both inaugurations of President George W. Bush.

But last year there were several thousand protesters willing to use force to disrupt Congress in its constitutional duty to receive and certify the electoral vote. Some went to Washington with that purpose in mind. Others were swept up in the moment’s savagery, led astray by stronger wills with dangerous motives.

The leaders of this group were intent on committing violence, some having planned to do so for weeks. Many wore tactical gear. Some came armed with chemical agents, flagpoles, batons and sticks. They broke through barricades and assaulted approximately 140 police officers, in some cases with an officer’s own shield or gear. They smashed doors and windows, illegally entered the Capitol, ransacked offices and searched for leaders of Congress, and made dire threats about what would happen if they found them.

More than 725 people have been charged so far, and law enforcement is searching for hundreds more suspects who appear on video or social media, some recorded attacking police officers. At least 163 people have pleaded guilty, and 71 have been sentenced. Only one defendant’s charges have been dismissed. Many of the most serious trials have yet to be held, as lawyers prepare defenses or negotiate plea deals.

So, on this anniversary, here’s a simple thought experiment: What if the other side had done it? What if in early January 2017, Democrats similarly attired and armed had stormed the Capitol and attempted to keep Congress from receiving the Electoral College results for the 2016 presidential election?

What if Democrats claimed that Donald Trump’s razor-thin victories in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin resulted from extensive voter fraud and should be rejected, despite having failed to establish in a single court that extensive fraud had actually occurred?

What if some of these Democrats breached the Capitol defenses and threatened violence against the Republican speaker, Paul Ryan, and Republican Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell?

What if they insisted that in his role as Senate president then-Vice President Joe Biden had sole authority to seat Hillary Clinton’s electors from any contested states and thereby hand her the presidency?

If this happened, would some of my fellow Republicans have accepted it as merely a protest? Would they have called patriots those charged with violent acts against our country, its laws and Constitution? Would they have accepted such extralegal means to change the outcome of a presidential election?

No they would not. I’m certain of that.

If Democrats had done what some Trump supporters did on that violent Jan. 6, Republicans would have criticized them mercilessly and been right to do so. Republicans would have torched any high official who encouraged violence or stood mute while it was waged and been right to do so. Republicans would have demanded an investigation to find who was responsible for the violence and been right to do so.

To move beyond Jan. 6, 2021, we must put country ahead of party. For Democrats, that means resisting their leadership’s petty habit of aggravating partisan fault lines by indiscriminately condemning all who came to Washington that day.

We Republicans have a heavier burden. I’ve been a Republican my entire life, and believe in what the Republican Party, at its best, has represented for decades. There can be no soft-pedaling what happened and no absolution for those who planned, encouraged and aided the attempt to overthrow our democracy. Love of country demands nothing less. That’s true patriotism.



Where is there dignity unless there is also honesty? - Cicero

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. —Wendy Mass
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Speedy
Date: January 06, 2022 12:49PM
Clearly this Carl Rove and the Karl Rove who worked for Pres. Bush and Faux News are two entirely different people.



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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: January 06, 2022 12:58PM
So, on this anniversary, here’s a simple thought experiment: What if the other side had done it? What if in early January 2017, Democrats similarly attired and armed had stormed the Capitol and attempted to keep Congress from receiving the Electoral College results for the 2016 presidential election?
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Ted King
Date: January 06, 2022 01:02PM
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So, on this anniversary, here’s a simple thought experiment: What if the other side had done it? What if in early January 2017, Democrats similarly attired and armed had stormed the Capitol and attempted to keep Congress from receiving the Electoral College results for the 2016 presidential election?

What if Democrats claimed that Donald Trump’s razor-thin victories in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin resulted from extensive voter fraud and should be rejected, despite having failed to establish in a single court that extensive fraud had actually occurred?

What if some of these Democrats breached the Capitol defenses and threatened violence against the Republican speaker, Paul Ryan, and Republican Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell?

What if they insisted that in his role as Senate president then-Vice President Joe Biden had sole authority to seat Hillary Clinton’s electors from any contested states and thereby hand her the presidency?

If this happened, would some of my fellow Republicans have accepted it as merely a protest? Would they have called patriots those charged with violent acts against our country, its laws and Constitution? Would they have accepted such extralegal means to change the outcome of a presidential election?

No they would not. I’m certain of that.

This should be as obvious as hell, but Trumpistas in general seem to be incapable of the imagination required to do this simple thought experiment.



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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Speedy
Date: January 06, 2022 01:19PM
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Ted King
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So, on this anniversary, here’s a simple thought experiment: What if the other side had done it? What if in early January 2017, Democrats similarly attired and armed had stormed the Capitol and attempted to keep Congress from receiving the Electoral College results for the 2016 presidential election?

What if Democrats claimed that Donald Trump’s razor-thin victories in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin resulted from extensive voter fraud and should be rejected, despite having failed to establish in a single court that extensive fraud had actually occurred?

What if some of these Democrats breached the Capitol defenses and threatened violence against the Republican speaker, Paul Ryan, and Republican Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell?

What if they insisted that in his role as Senate president then-Vice President Joe Biden had sole authority to seat Hillary Clinton’s electors from any contested states and thereby hand her the presidency?

If this happened, would some of my fellow Republicans have accepted it as merely a protest? Would they have called patriots those charged with violent acts against our country, its laws and Constitution? Would they have accepted such extralegal means to change the outcome of a presidential election?

No they would not. I’m certain of that.

This should be as obvious as hell, but Trumpistas in general seem to be incapable of the imagination required to do this simple thought experiment.

It would not serve the purposes of their elected officials nor their captive media.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Wags
Date: January 06, 2022 01:41PM
I simply cannot imagine the Wall Of Moms storming the Capital.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: January 06, 2022 01:51PM
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Wags
I simply cannot imagine the Wall Of Moms storming the Capital.

Perhaps in a flotilla of minivans?



It is what it is.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 06, 2022 02:43PM
I wonder who Karl is backing in the next big go-round. Maybe he is trying to get the party behind someone to his liking who's not completely bat sheet insane?
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 06, 2022 03:07PM
Meh.

Tardy pearl-clutching by one of the most vicious political partisans in existence.

He didn’t seem nearly so bothered by conscience during the Brooks Brothers Riot, which was a similarly anti democratic example of mob rule to ensure installing a Republican who lost the popular vote.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Ammo
Date: January 06, 2022 03:48PM
I vote for securing plausible denial depending on how things turn out. Or maybe all he wants to do is throw the Dems off scent.



Where is there dignity unless there is also honesty? - Cicero

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. —Wendy Mass
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 07, 2022 08:23AM
Rove, he who forced Fox News to wait on declaring Obama’s 2nd victory, cementing their position on another front of anti-journalism. He truly has the same denier mindset TFG supporters have.

He’s got a laundry list of sins but this op-ed isn’t one of them. Unfortunately the Republican Party is well past ever caring what anyone criticizes them for.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: January 07, 2022 11:07AM
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Speedy
Clearly this Carl Rove and the Karl Rove who worked for Pres. Bush and Faux News are two entirely different people.

Karl Rove has already said he expects all January 6 defendants to either plead out or be convicted for their actions on that day...no acquittals.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 07, 2022 11:51AM
But again, when these guys (successfully) shut down the Miami-Dade recount?



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A clause in Florida's State Constitution mandated that, since the election was so close, a Statewide recount had to be done...The re-count began, but Representative John E. Sweeney, then a freshman Congressman from New York's Capital Region...told an aide to "Shut it down." And so dozens of people, many of them wearing sharp suits typical of Republican staffers at the time -- hence the name of the demonstration, as Brooks Brothers is a popular store chain with them -- found their way into the building, and pounded on the doors of the room where the recount was being done, making it unsafe for the counters.

They got what they wanted [and the recount in this large county was put on hold]. Bush's lead [was] down to 537 votes, when a local court ordered that the recount be stopped. In other words, some votes were never counted, not even once. The State Supreme Court ruled that the recount had to resume.

But on December 12, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the recount had to stop.

Nobody was ever charged with a crime in connection with the Brooks Brothers Riot -- not with election fraud, not with property damage, not with assault, not even with trespassing, of which they were all guilty.

The scale was different; the intent was the same. I don't remember Rove making a peep then.
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Re: Carl Rove on last year’s Insurrection
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 07, 2022 05:35PM
To move beyond Jan. 6, 2021, we must put country ahead of party. For Democrats, that means resisting their leadership’s petty habit of aggravating partisan fault lines by indiscriminately condemning all who came to Washington that day.

Rove trots out the "few bad apples" defense.
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