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None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: January 06, 2022 04:20PM
I was listening to the speeches made by Democratic Congress members.

Now it NOT the time to be 'sober and statesmanlike'. Jan 6 2021 was a violent assault on Congress to stop a Presidential election! These right-wing storm troops are traitors to this country at the same magnitude of the Confederacy.

They should have been shot 10 feet into the Capitol.

The Democrats in their speeches hardly seemed to sound the alarm over this violent treason and did not call for the maximum penalties and charges against these lunatics.

...and they should have started making aggressive speeches against this coup from January 7th...not waiting a YEAR to do so.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2022 04:21PM by Steve G..
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 06, 2022 07:43PM
I truly believe that today's politicians on either side do not have the integrity and strength in their convictions to follow through and do what they claim they will.

Really makes me sad. For everyone.



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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 06, 2022 07:49PM
And doing so would accomplish what? Why would say.. Barbara Lee, if you know who she is and what's she's about, "wimp out?" What would she be risking by doing so? Theater.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 06, 2022 07:50PM
Agree on all that.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: Buzz
Date: January 06, 2022 08:57PM
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Steve G.
I was listening to the speeches made by Democratic Congress members.

Now it NOT the time to be 'sober and statesmanlike'. Jan 6 2021 was a violent assault on Congress to stop a Presidential election! These right-wing storm troops are traitors to this country at the same magnitude of the Confederacy.

They should have been shot 10 feet as soon as they tried to set foot into the Capitol.

The Democrats in their speeches hardly seemed to sound the alarm over this violent treason and did not call for the maximum penalties and charges against these lunatics.

...and they should have started making aggressive speeches against this coup from January 7th...not waiting a YEAR to do so.

FTFY.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: PeterB
Date: January 06, 2022 10:01PM
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Steve G.
...and they should have started making aggressive speeches against this coup from January 7th...not waiting a YEAR to do so.

You mean similar to the likes of McConnell, McCarthy, and company, right after the attack?

[www.nbcwashington.com]

... simply put, everyone is apparently afraid of Orange Dump. That may include many of the Dems too, and explains why they won't come out and call them traitors.

Although Joe didn't explicitly use the word "traitor" in his speech today, it was pretty clear that was his view.

... as for why they aren't being called traitors, it may have more to do with the ability to convict on the basis of treason or sedition: [apnews.com]




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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 06, 2022 10:36PM
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PeterB
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Steve G.
...and they should have started making aggressive speeches against this coup from January 7th...not waiting a YEAR to do so.

You mean similar to the likes of McConnell, McCarthy, and company, right after the attack?

[www.nbcwashington.com]

... simply put, everyone is apparently afraid of Orange Dump. That may include many of the Dems too, and explains why they won't come out and call them traitors.

Although Joe didn't explicitly use the word "traitor" in his speech today, it was pretty clear that was his view.

... as for why they aren't being called traitors, it may have more to do with the ability to convict on the basis of treason or sedition: [apnews.com]

There were many heartfelt and sincere statements made today by politicians. We know that many of them have called Trump a traitor and a ton of other names. They're not afraid of him.

Trump is dangerous but he's not the biggest threat.

The scourge of Trumpism has metastasized and infected every facet of democracy. That's the threat. There's always another Trump to step into the lead role.

So now we have to deal with insurrectionists and the existential threat of at least 40% of our population preparing to do whatever it takes to end our democracy. It's going to take a Herculean effort to defeat them soon enough.

Today wasn't the day for that. Today was to deal with our trauma. If you can call someone a traitor, you can make the charge and put 'em on trial where what the body that's investigating and accusing them calls them matters in a trial.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 06, 2022 10:38PM
simply put, everyone is apparently afraid of Orange Dump. That may include many of the Dems too, and explains why they won't come out and call them traitors.


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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: January 06, 2022 11:37PM
Trauma? really? deal with the trauma?...wtf?

Yer soft, dude-Vision...your Dem KoolAid levels are beyond the legal limit.

Im tired of this whole therapy approach the dems have fallen into
in the last large number of years..The Dem Convention reeked of it..
it's soft and it's super creepy...super creepy...the whole convention had that wussy tone to it...scary creepy.

Biden, Harris..the rest of the speeches today--the TV specials...ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!
...softy garbage and exactly the kind of stuff the GOT us here.

The moment that Obama did NOTHING to wage war against McConnell after he snagged away his Supreme Court pick...shameful and seriously unforgivable...not even a whimper!!!

More of the same today...therapy night...@#$%& that..i couldn't even watch.

Schumer is the same way...zzzzzzzzz..ineffective...get rid of him

This whole version of the Dems...bunch of complete losers

EMO losers...."omg, that made so many people cry, something must be done!!!"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2022 11:48PM by Kraniac.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: vision63
Date: January 07, 2022 02:43AM
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Kraniac
Trauma? really? deal with the trauma?...wtf?

Yer soft, dude-Vision...your Dem KoolAid levels are beyond the legal limit.

Im tired of this whole therapy approach the dems have fallen into
in the last large number of years..The Dem Convention reeked of it..
it's soft and it's super creepy...super creepy...the whole convention had that wussy tone to it...scary creepy.

Biden, Harris..the rest of the speeches today--the TV specials...ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!
...softy garbage and exactly the kind of stuff the GOT us here.

The moment that Obama did NOTHING to wage war against McConnell after he snagged away his Supreme Court pick...shameful and seriously unforgivable...not even a whimper!!!

More of the same today...therapy night...@#$%& that..i couldn't even watch.

Schumer is the same way...zzzzzzzzz..ineffective...get rid of him

This whole version of the Dems...bunch of complete losers

EMO losers...."omg, that made so many people cry, something must be done!!!"

It's one thing to not like what they do. It's another thing to suggest what they "could" have done. If there are strategies that you know of, that's doable and useable, tell 'em. I'm down with any good idea.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: numbered
Date: January 07, 2022 11:06AM
Partisans on both sides want their side to fight. Indeed many of the Trump supporters like that he 'fights' by saying stupid things. (Trumps behavior, otoh, is often cowardly, but I digress.)

The Dems 'soft' approach is based on the idea that they have to persuade some folks in the middle *who do not like the fighting* and who do not really pay attention enough to understand what is really happening.

This is the battle now among the Dems. Do they go for base motivation and fight, or do they try to appeal to norms and gentle argument to the clueless middle. Both sides among the Dems believe they have data supporting their position. (There are also the Dem wonks--the true policy lovers--that believe that doing good stuff works. This is patently not true. But it is still a thing.)

Notice that when the Dems have taken a bit of a fighting stance (eg, last week the White House blaming the unvaccinated and saying the patience of the rest of us is ending) they get slammed by *both sides* for it. The right says 'Biden is dividing us!' and the left says the unvaccinated deserve sympathy. There is *never* a backlash like this when Trump goes racist (in part because the right wing media environment does not allow it.)

btw, Rove showed in 2004 that motivating the crazy worked to reelect Bush. Base motivation was the whole Trump plan. Just sayyin'
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 07, 2022 12:55PM
Trump is and always has been a 'useful idiot'. It's those people who put him in his position who are ultimately responsible.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: davester
Date: January 07, 2022 01:01PM
I think it would be stupid for the dems to start using a bunch of incendiary language that would turn the "undecideds" and the less reactionary republicans away. They need to play the long game rather than display a knee-jerk reaction that will only satisfy the base urges of already entrenched more liberal or radical democrats.



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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: January 07, 2022 01:17PM
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davester
I think it would be stupid for the dems to start using a bunch of incendiary language that would turn the "undecideds" and the less reactionary republicans away. They need to play the long game rather than display a knee-jerk reaction that will only satisfy the base urges of already entrenched more liberal or radical democrats.

Yeah, that strategy has worked so well for them for the last two decades.



It is what it is.
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Re: None call it treason-Democrats wimp out again
Posted by: PeterB
Date: January 08, 2022 08:29AM
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vision63
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PeterB
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Steve G.
...and they should have started making aggressive speeches against this coup from January 7th...not waiting a YEAR to do so.

You mean similar to the likes of McConnell, McCarthy, and company, right after the attack?

[www.nbcwashington.com]

... simply put, everyone is apparently afraid of Orange Dump. That may include many of the Dems too, and explains why they won't come out and call them traitors.

Although Joe didn't explicitly use the word "traitor" in his speech today, it was pretty clear that was his view.

... as for why they aren't being called traitors, it may have more to do with the ability to convict on the basis of treason or sedition: [apnews.com]

There were many heartfelt and sincere statements made today by politicians. We know that many of them have called Trump a traitor and a ton of other names. They're not afraid of him.

Trump is dangerous but he's not the biggest threat.

The scourge of Trumpism has metastasized and infected every facet of democracy. That's the threat. There's always another Trump to step into the lead role.

So now we have to deal with insurrectionists and the existential threat of at least 40% of our population preparing to do whatever it takes to end our democracy. It's going to take a Herculean effort to defeat them soon enough.

Today wasn't the day for that. Today was to deal with our trauma. If you can call someone a traitor, you can make the charge and put 'em on trial where what the body that's investigating and accusing them calls them matters in a trial.

True that Dump is just one symptom of a much bigger problem.

And one very big part of that problem is that, as soon as you start to question what the truth is, it becomes nearly impossible to have a civil society. Each side is utterly convinced that the other is lying. And facts won't matter, since their opinions are as good as your facts, and they will question the "facts" and claim that they're all made up.




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