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Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 11, 2022 03:12PM
Speaking at Morehouse right now.

"What the hell are we even talking about?!" in response to GA's law making it illegal to give someone a bottle of water while waiting in line to vote.
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 11, 2022 03:20PM
talking about Republicans who voted in the past to extend voting rights

"Even Strom Thurman voted for it. You don't know how damn hard I worked on that. But NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN TODAY in the Senate wants it today."
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 11, 2022 03:22PM
and now (as expected) going on a full-on attack against the current filibuster

advocating for simple majority

supports any change to the rules so long as they work to protect voting rights
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 11, 2022 03:29PM
And when things flip, they might wish they hadn't gotten rid of it. 2 sides to every coin.



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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 11, 2022 03:31PM
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deckeda
"What the hell, heck are we even talking about?!"

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deckeda
You don't know how damn, darn hard I worked on that.

Can't wait for the outrage over his "profanity-filled rant" by the right-wing outrage machine.

It's just locker-room talk!
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: deckeda
Date: January 11, 2022 03:34PM
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Racer X
And when things flip, they might wish they hadn't gotten rid of it. 2 sides to every coin.

Thanks, I'm well aware of the, "b-b-but you'll be sorry!" threat.

If we don't ditch it, that day has ALREADY come.
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 11, 2022 03:35PM
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Racer X
And when things flip, they might wish they hadn't gotten rid of it. 2 sides to every coin.

What's to stop republicans from changing the rules when they take power anyway?
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: davester
Date: January 11, 2022 04:17PM
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Lux Interior
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Racer X
And when things flip, they might wish they hadn't gotten rid of it. 2 sides to every coin.

What's to stop republicans from changing the rules when they take power anyway?

That's exactly what Mitch will do. He's done it before and he wouldn't lose a second of sleep making a change again. He would do it with a lot less hand wringing than the democrats have done. All the filibuster does is entrench minority rule. That's not what a democracy is about. Yes, I know, the US is not even close to being a democracy but the closer we get to being one, the better. Heck, at the very least they should go back to an earlier version of the filibuster where it was quite painful to implement this maneuver. The current version of the rule allows maximum obstruction with absolutely no pain (or even mild inconvenience) on the part of the filibusterer.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2022 04:20PM by davester.
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: wave rider
Date: January 11, 2022 05:28PM
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Brennan Center For Justice (wave rider bolds and bigs)

At times, the Senate has also exempted certain types of legislation from the cloture rule. For example, Congress’s annual budget reconciliation process requires only a simple majority vote and cannot be filibustered. Likewise, trade agreements that are negotiated using fast-track rules cannot be filibustered. Other exemptions apply to measures that involve, for example, military base closures or arms sales. In total, 161 exceptions to the filibuster’s supermajority requirement have been created between 1969 and 2014, according to an analysis by the Brookings Institution’s Molly Reynolds.


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Lot of underwear wringing going on. 161 exceptions already should clue folks in about not making exceptions for voting rights.



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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: $tevie
Date: January 11, 2022 10:37PM
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After his encounter with Bunning, Franken called Ornstein to find a way to end the absurdity, and the result was this: flip the numbers from 60 required to end debate to 41 required to continue it, moving the burden from the majority to the minority. Require 41 to be on the floor at all times, and to debate the issue at hand, germanely. The minority could still prevail—the majority would have to stop all other business to go around the clock, and might decide after some time to cut its losses and move on to other issues, if the minority made its determination clear. But it would require a major effort by the minority to accomplish its ends. And for both sides, bipartisan compromise might be the best way to ease any mutual burdens.
How to Reform the Filibuster
Al Franken and Norm Ornstein
[alfranken.com]



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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 11, 2022 10:42PM
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$tevie
How to Reform the Filibuster
Al Franken and Norm Ornstein
[alfranken.com]

So you're still opening his emails, eh?
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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: Acer
Date: January 11, 2022 11:07PM
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RgrF
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$tevie
How to Reform the Filibuster
Al Franken and Norm Ornstein
[alfranken.com]

So you're still opening his emails, eh?

They really grab you, if you know what I mean.



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Re: Biden live speech on filibuster
Posted by: $tevie
Date: January 11, 2022 11:20PM
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RgrF
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$tevie
How to Reform the Filibuster
Al Franken and Norm Ornstein
[alfranken.com]

So you're still opening his emails, eh?
As are you, obviously. smiling smiley



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