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Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives (and other wingnutty topics)
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 12, 2022 08:50AM
from AZ and MI. With names and “elector” signatures; in the case of Arizona’s, they used the official state seal, and had it notarized too.

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As Trump's team pushed its discredited voter fraud narrative, the National Archives received forged certificates of ascertainment declaring him and then-Vice President Mike Pence the winners of both Michigan and Arizona and their electors after the 2020 election.

You can see them for yourself, here and here.

You’d think there might be something…umm…illegal about sending fake electoral results to the National Archives. So far:

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Arizona then took legal action against at least one of the groups who sent in the fake documents, sending a cease and desist letter to a pro-Trump "sovereign citizen" group telling them to stop using the state seal and referring the matter to the state attorney general.

… The group that forged the Michigan certification had not used the state seal, and it appears state officials there took no further action after the Archives rejected it.

Ooh. A sternly-worded letter!

Dunno, but it seems like there maybe ought to be a law against this kind of thing?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2022 10:10AM by pdq.
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 12, 2022 09:09AM
That Notary should lose their stamp. And the authors should be arrested for fraud. Geesh.
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 12, 2022 09:19AM
BTW, a tip of the hat to Heather Cox Richardson’s email list, which discusses the above today, as well as a wingnut/Trumpie conspiracy theory that the Jan 6 panel has looked into.

In a nutshell, Ray Epps, the former head of the AZ Oathkeepers (the largest in the nation) was in Washington for the insurrection and encouraging the protestors the day before. He has not been arrested; therefore he must have been an FBI provocateur.

OoooKay, then. Truly their powers of reasoning are dizzying.

Turns out Mr. Epps did not actually enter the Capitol, and urged the mob to be peaceful. He also testified to the Jan 6 committee (under oath, I presume) that

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“he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

We’ll, that seals it. He must be working for the FBI.

RollingEyesSmiley5



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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 12, 2022 09:20AM
More here.
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 12, 2022 09:43AM
And one more, just for good measure: the wingnut-o-sphere is all a-twitter about the latest smoking gun from Project Veritas proving that not only was COVID a lab-created virus, it was a US project! (…that apparently, ummm…was outsourced to the Chinese - hey, I don’t and couldn’t come up with this stuff myself!)

This was the natural conclusion to the fact that a legitimate research group did write a grant request looking for funding of gain-of-function research in Coronaviruses (which is a legitimate, though highly scrutinized and tightly controlled kind of research to understand how viruses express their pathogenicity) during the Trump administration (2018). And the grant was rejected.

Therefore, it was a lab-created virus, and Fauci knew! And funded it! And lied about it!

Said Dr. Fauci yesterday, before the Senate:

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"What came out last night in Project Veritas was a grant that was submitted to DARPA, they distorted it to say we funded the grant. We have never seen that grant and we have never funded that grant. So once again, you are completely and unequivocally incorrect…."

So, who you gonna believe? Project Veritas, or your own lyin eyes?
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 12, 2022 10:07AM
PS- Okay, one more:

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[Senator Roger] Marshall (R-Kan.) began his interrogation into Fauci’s finances by noting the doctor’s salary, $434,000, and the multibillion-dollar budget for federal research grants that he oversees as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Ooh. The Director of Infectious Disease in the NIH for the last 35+ years makes about the same money as the average dermatologist. Scandal!

Said the Honerable Sen. Marshall:

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“…would you be willing to submit to Congress and the public a financial disclosure that includes your past and current investments?” Marshall asked… “After all, your colleague [Centers for Disease Control head Rachel] Walensky and every member of Congress submits a financial disclosure that includes their investments.”

Umm…yes. So willing, in fact, he’s been doing it for over 30 years, as required by law.

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“All you have to do is ask for it,” Fauci said. “You’re so misinformed, it’s extraordinary.”

Dr. Fauci subsequently had a few more comments on that “hot mike” moment that the Honerable Mr. Marshall of Kansas later took offense to.

smiley-laughing001



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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 12, 2022 11:48AM
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pdq
So, who you gonna believe? Project Veritas, or your own lyin eyes?

If you can't believe this man, who can you believe?

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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 12, 2022 01:24PM
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RgrF
More here.

RgrF’s link is to a Rachel Maddow segment that has forged certificates of ascertainment from not two, but five (!) states. With (partially) matching text.

They certainly weren’t going to fool Congress with these, but it would be interesting to get the signatories under oath and find out what they thought they were doing, and under whose direction.
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives (and other wingnutty topics)
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 12, 2022 02:46PM
This feels like there's so much outright corruption related to anything 45* that this administration is just chalking it up to shenanigans, saying;

'Forged Official documents?

Forget about it, Jake. It's Republicans.






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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives (and other wingnutty topics)
Posted by: AllGold
Date: January 12, 2022 03:21PM
Yes, Rachel Maddow showed essentially the same document or same template from five different states (apparently, Arizona submitted two different forged documents, only one of which matched the other four states' template).

There appears to have been a higher level conspiracy to falsify electoral results.



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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives (and other wingnutty topics)
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: January 13, 2022 09:51AM
And these people who committed federal election fraud and should be in jail...I guarantee they all support measures to make it as difficult as possible for people in their states to vote.
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Re: Trumpies actually sent fake electoral reports to National Archives
Posted by: Speedy
Date: January 16, 2022 03:51PM
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Lux Interior
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pdq
So, who you gonna believe? Project Veritas, or your own lyin eyes?

If you can't believe this man, who can you believe?


He does have a sexy girlfriend.



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