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“I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 28, 2022 10:59PM
Joni Mitchell pulls her music from Spotify:

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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 28, 2022 11:10PM
Peter Frampton and Barry Manilow have joined Neil Young. Spotify responded to boycott by not allowing cancellations.

While their stock value took somewhat of a plunge.



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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: January 28, 2022 11:12PM
Not Barry:

[www.bloomberg.com]


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 28, 2022 11:13PM
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Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Not Barry:

[www.bloomberg.com]

Ooops Twittered again!
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: jdc
Date: January 29, 2022 12:22AM
signed by a lot of medical pros, but didn't see Capt Obvious...




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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: DP
Date: January 29, 2022 06:25AM
This is just classic hypocrisy-do these people know their Constitution? Apparently not. And as a new(ish) American citizen, Young should read it and understand that free speech means that he can't stop it just because he doesn't agree or approve of what's being said, and being a "Canarican" doesn't change that.

Don't like Rogan? Don't listen to him! Hey! There's a concept!

Think Rogan spouts misinformation? An awful lot of that coming from everywhere; from all corners. But as long as he isn't telling people to take cyanide then he has a right to say it.

Stop the hypocrisy. And move this to the Other Side...




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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: January 29, 2022 07:05AM
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DP
This is just classic hypocrisy-do these people know their Constitution? Apparently not. And as a new(ish) American citizen, Young should read it and understand that free speech means that he can't stop it just because he doesn't agree or approve of what's being said, and being a "Canarican" doesn't change that.

"Free speech" means that the government can't suppress certain types of expression.

This is a conflict between people providing products and a commercial enterprise providing a service that those people do not wish to participate in or be associated with.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "free speech."


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: DP
Date: January 29, 2022 07:20AM
It boils down to the same thing, especially in the era of "cancel culture" and "wokeness". Young, et al, want to bring free speech issues into the commercial world.




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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: January 29, 2022 07:22AM
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DP
It boils down to the same thing, especially in the era of "cancel culture" and "wokeness". Young, et al, want to bring free speech issues into the commercial world.

No.

They want to bring ethics to American commerce.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 29, 2022 08:18AM
“ Congress shall make no law ...”


“ do these people know their Constitution? Apparently not. “



Couldn’t have said it better myself.



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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: abevilac
Date: January 29, 2022 09:46AM
I doubt that Spotify is thinking about the Constitution — just the bottom line. It could kick off the guy for spreading lies just like twitter did to the former guy. Private companies make the rules on who can use their platform. Let’s go Joni!
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 29, 2022 09:56AM
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DP
An awful lot of that coming from everywhere; from all corners.

Yes. Yes. Some very fine people on both sides. Sure.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Marc Anthony
Date: January 29, 2022 10:05AM
The “speech” at play here is a musical artist taking a stand against a wrong by pulling a product they own or control from a venue that has no other claim to it. Spotify is free to align themselves with an idiot that’s disseminating a socially harmful message, however, that doesn’t mean either they or the idiot in question are insulated from the repercussions of said idiocy. Play stupid games and find out.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: August West
Date: January 29, 2022 10:39AM
How in the world does this rise to a Constitutional issue?


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: jonny
Date: January 29, 2022 10:39AM
Spotify loses $4 billion in market value following Neil Young controversy

Curious... Has Rogan responded to any of this? I never knew he was so discrete.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Speedy
Date: January 29, 2022 10:44AM
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August West
How in the world does this rise to a Constitutional issue?

Obviously it doesn’t. Unless Neil Young has suddenly become president.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 29, 2022 11:14AM
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August West
How in the world does this rise to a Constitutional issue?

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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: graylocks
Date: January 29, 2022 11:27AM
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August West
How in the world does this rise to a Constitutional issue?

It doesn't. Some posters here are woefully uninformed about the First Amendment which states (emphasis mine):

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress or any form of the government is not in this dog fight. No law has been passed that Rogan can't spread his crap. However, Spotify as a non-governmental business enterprise has the power to stop disinformation from being spread on their platform. Youtube, Meta, and Twitter have already done so. This outcry is asking Spotify to set a similar redline.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 29, 2022 11:36AM
I think that someone is a big Joe Rogan fan and doesn't like finding out that Joe Rogan is a moron.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 29, 2022 01:01PM
It really is rather easy ---

Rogan can say/believe whatever he likes
Spotify can give a platform to Rogan if it so chooses and Rogan agrees
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and any other artist can deny Spotify the right to use their product if they own the rights to it.
Listeners can listen or not listen as they choose.
Investors may buy or sell company stock for any reason.

At no time is any government agency involved nor any constitutional issue raised. Everything is a matter of personal choice.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: hal
Date: January 29, 2022 01:20PM
Dp - you had a basic misunderstanding of Young's position.

He was telling Spotify that if you're going to carry Rogen, you can't have Young. He did not tell Spotify to remove Rogen's material. He only has stated that he wants no part of supporting Rogen by having his music support the venue that supports Rogen and that is his right.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: $tevie
Date: January 29, 2022 01:30PM
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hal
Dp - you had a basic misunderstanding of Young's position.

He was telling Spotify that if you're going to carry Rogen, you can't have Young. He did not tell Spotify to remove Rogen's material. He only has stated that he wants no part of supporting Rogen by having his music support the venue that supports Rogen and that is his right.
THIS^^^^


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: $tevie
Date: January 29, 2022 01:31PM
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Ombligo
It really is rather easy ---

Rogan can say/believe whatever he likes
Spotify can give a platform to Rogan if it so chooses and Rogan agrees
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and any other artist can deny Spotify the right to use their product if they own the rights to it.
Listeners can listen or not listen as they choose.
Investors may buy or sell company stock for any reason.

At no time is any government agency involved nor any constitutional issue raised. Everything is a matter of personal choice.
AND THIS^^^^


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: January 29, 2022 01:37PM
Free Speech?

News people are regularly sacked for spewing lies, misinformation.

wtf are you folks talking about?

DP..huh? you're a bit off center

If you slander someone you can be held accountable.

Joe Rogan is a major mouthpiece for dis/misinformation..one of THE most
powerful and basic tools used to manipulate large groups of people and to pit people against each other..the Nazis did it to the Jewish people and effectively isolated them and then?..you know the rest..The Russians are doing it as we speak.

It is a sinister mode, what Rogan does

..Free speech is not an absolute, and Joe Rogan
violates the limits of free speech regularly.

I hope Spotify goes down the tubes on this..@#$%& them. Companies DO have a social responsibility.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 29, 2022 02:57PM
Kraniac, where you been hidin'?
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Ted King
Date: January 29, 2022 03:11PM
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Ombligo
It really is rather easy ---

Rogan can say/believe whatever he likes
Spotify can give a platform to Rogan if it so chooses and Rogan agrees
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and any other artist can deny Spotify the right to use their product if they own the rights to it.
Listeners can listen or not listen as they choose.
Investors may buy or sell company stock for any reason.

At no time is any government agency involved nor any constitutional issue raised. Everything is a matter of personal choice.

Excellent. That sums it up really well.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: hal
Date: January 29, 2022 04:48PM
I'm seeing lots of BS social media posts - these people in the list below except for Neil and Joni have NOT asked to have their catalogs removed.

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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 30, 2022 09:27AM
Spotify’s goal is to capture the podcast market. This Rogan guy has a listener base of 11 million. For Spotify, the issue is merely about money, freedom of speech only factors into it effecting their bottom line.

270 doctors, healthcare professionals and educators have petitioned Spotify to stop broadcasting lies and disinformation after one knucklehead got on Rogan’s show and claimed mass hypnosis was being used to get people to wear masks.

Young and Mitchell have always been musician activists that attempted to take action in situations they feel strongly about, and as musicians/ songwriters do so with their music. What’s sad to me is the amount of smug mockery they are getting from young listeners that appear to be too dumb or too disengaged to grasp the full situation.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: hal
Date: January 30, 2022 01:42PM
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JoeM
What’s sad to me is the amount of smug mockery they are getting from young listeners that appear to be too dumb or too disengaged to grasp the full situation.

it's certainly sad, but I can understand. When I was 17, I don't think I would have taken seriously a similar protest from, say... Glenn Miller or Doris Day. I would wonder why they thought their opinions were relevant in 1978 and put on another Led Zeppelin LP loud.
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 30, 2022 02:01PM
It's just Deja Vu all over again


“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.” -- François de La Rochefoucauld

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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 30, 2022 04:15PM
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Ombligo
It's just Deja Vu all over again
Lol, I see what you did there. I thought you might’ve said “It’s Gonna Take A Lotta Love”.


JoeM
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: JoeM
Date: January 30, 2022 04:24PM
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hal
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JoeM
What’s sad to me is the amount of smug mockery they are getting from young listeners that appear to be too dumb or too disengaged to grasp the full situation.

it's certainly sad, but I can understand. When I was 17, I don't think I would have taken seriously a similar protest from, say... Glenn Miller or Doris Day. I would wonder why they thought their opinions were relevant in 1978 and put on another Led Zeppelin LP loud.

hal, I think you make a valid point. The majority of condescending comments I read are from people that claim they don’t know who either artist is or who claim they never listen to their music if they do know who they are. There’s a heavy ok boomer attitude coming across from them.


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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: jonny
Date: January 30, 2022 05:52PM
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hal
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JoeM
What’s sad to me is the amount of smug mockery they are getting from young listeners that appear to be too dumb or too disengaged to grasp the full situation.

it's certainly sad, but I can understand. When I was 17, I don't think I would have taken seriously a similar protest from, say... Glenn Miller or Doris Day. I would wonder why they thought their opinions were relevant in 1978 and put on another Led Zeppelin LP loud.

[www.cnn.com]
Guess Neil has a bit more pull than Doris did. (Of course… It doesn’t actually do anything, but it’s a start.)



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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: jonny
Date: January 31, 2022 11:32AM
Rogan responds.

[www.cnn.com]
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Re: “I Stand With Neil Young!”
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 31, 2022 12:44PM
"Many of the things that we thought of as misinformation just a short while ago are now accepted as fact," Rogan claimed.


Yes, of course.

I wonder if he sees the irony of that double edged sword.





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