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Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 28, 2022 11:07PM
Earlier today it was reported there’s something like a slow-moving convoy some 40-miles long headed towards Kyiv.

Ukraine has IEDs, Javelins, drones, however.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: March 01, 2022 02:25AM
That convoy is the stuff of nightmares, but it also has some potential vulnerabilities, doesn't it? I don't think that those Molatov cocktails we see being made on the tv news are going to be that effective, but artillery could do some damage.I've been following the discussion on Lawyers Guns and Money and they aren't talking about it much, other than that Farley (a military expert) points out that the fact that the Russian invasion has gone slower than planned does not mean that it will fail.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 01, 2022 03:28AM
Sounds like a flight of US A-10 Warthogs would take care of it. Just like strafing a 40 mile long train.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 01, 2022 05:52AM
I was wondering if they weren’t being offered up as a sacrifice for something bigger.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 01, 2022 06:11AM
Equipped with significant self defense capabilities. Air cover.

This column is quite probably the “A” team, not the cannon fodder conscripts sent in first.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 01, 2022 08:26AM
This has me worried. I hope that I am wrong.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 01, 2022 08:35AM
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Equipped with significant self defense capabilities. Air cover.

This column is quite probably the “A” team, not the cannon fodder conscripts sent in first.

Helicopter cover plus dismounted infantry screening the convoy.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 01, 2022 09:09AM
Bill... also fighter escort against air attack, and the convoy has organic AA support.

I must also assume IED/Mines are part of Ukraine's defense posture, but planting them under Russian surveillance is a suicide mission.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: March 01, 2022 10:09AM
Just take out the fuel supply.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 01, 2022 12:35PM
Convoy is stalled out, running out of gas and food. Could be a strategy reassessment going on. And unless it is to pack up and leave, I doubt it's good news.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 01, 2022 02:48PM
And when they get to the big cities, this is what they have waiting for them... [taskandpurpose.com]



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 01, 2022 02:56PM
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Convoy is stalled out, running out of gas and food. Could be a strategy reassessment going on. And unless it is to pack up and leave, I doubt it's good news.

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And when they get to the big cities, this is what they have waiting for them... [taskandpurpose.com]

Putin failing to learn the lessons from USSR's own victories during the German invasion?



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 01, 2022 03:34PM
Pretty much. Same with the issues we had in some cities in the Iraq and Afghanistan as well. You are trying to dig out ticks that are shooting at you.

With anti-tank shoulder launched rockets and Stingers, anything big is going to be taken out. You are now on foot.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 01, 2022 03:34PM
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And when they get to the big cities, this is what they have waiting for them... [taskandpurpose.com]

There's absolutely no need to enter the cities & fight...just encircle them to cut off any resupply, especially of those fancy Western anti-armor & anti-aircraft weapons & then starve them out.

We are talking about literally millions of people who need food...any stockpiles won't last long.

And while waiting for their capitulation, degrading military & civilian infrastructure in the cities with stand-off weapons such as artillery & missiles doesn't cost the Russians much.

Sooner rather than later even the regular army units will be down to rifles & RPGs.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 01, 2022 04:11PM
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Racer X
And when they get to the big cities, this is what they have waiting for them... [taskandpurpose.com]

There's absolutely no need to enter the cities & fight...just encircle them to cut off any resupply, especially of those fancy Western anti-armor & anti-aircraft weapons & then starve them out.

We are talking about literally millions of people who need food...any stockpiles won't last long.

And while waiting for their capitulation, degrading military & civilian infrastructure in the cities with stand-off weapons such as artillery & missiles doesn't cost the Russians much.

Sooner rather than later even the regular army units will be down to rifles & RPGs.

It's not always that clear cut. Kiev has an extensive subway system. Great for people and supplies to shift around. Pretty sure the other main city does as well.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 01, 2022 04:25PM
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Racer X
And when they get to the big cities, this is what they have waiting for them... [taskandpurpose.com]

There's absolutely no need to enter the cities & fight...just encircle them to cut off any resupply, especially of those fancy Western anti-armor & anti-aircraft weapons & then starve them out.

We are talking about literally millions of people who need food...any stockpiles won't last long.

And while waiting for their capitulation, degrading military & civilian infrastructure in the cities with stand-off weapons such as artillery & missiles doesn't cost the Russians much.

Sooner rather than later even the regular army units will be down to rifles & RPGs.

It's not always that clear cut. Kiev has an extensive subway system. Great for people and supplies to shift around. Pretty sure the other main city does as well.

AFAIK, all Kiev Metro stations are within the city itself.

No hope to smuggle in supplies from the outside that way.

Sure, it could be use to move stuff around inside Kiev, but since the Russians can just wait out the defenders it's the equivalent of shuffling deck chairs.

Sadly, there's no cavalry coming over the hill for the Ukrainians.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 01, 2022 04:34PM
Siege of a large European city with the world watching and the EU and NATO looking for every opportunity to sneak supplies? Putin needs to seize control quickly and restore order if he's to maintain the narrative of uniting the Slavs. Puttering about the countryside for months or years waiting for capitulation will take too long.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 01, 2022 04:42PM
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Acer
Siege of a large European city with the world watching and the EU and NATO looking for every opportunity to sneak supplies? Putin needs to seize control quickly and restore order if he's to maintain the narrative of uniting the Slavs. Puttering about the countryside for months or years waiting for capitulation will take too long.

The longer they hold out, it looks less and less like Putin is trying to unite the Slavs. If its something they want, why don't they just open the cities to Russia? It looks like Putin is the only one who wants this.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: gabester
Date: March 01, 2022 11:37PM
I think in Putin logic, he wants to draw out the conflict. That's what allows his disinformation campaigns to sow dissent in western democracies. It takes time for those lies to breed and multiply.

Then he uses a nuke on one of those dug in cities and watches the west crumble in its resolve because no one wants to be the next target. Or maybe the Poles and Baltic states panic and counterattack expecting their next, drawing everyone into a larger conflict where Putin can nuke whoever he wants with his thousands of warheads...

Because the white boy felt like his way of life was threatened.



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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 02, 2022 12:51PM
The siege of Kyiv is a distraction whilst Russia consolidates its gains in the east and south.

Once those areas are brought under control it's on to Moldova via Transnistria.

What was southern and eastern Ukraine becomes "Novorossiya" as proposed by Russian government spokesmen years ago...so Russia now gets ALL the off-shore, natural gas deposits.

A land-locked, rump Ukraine is all that's left behind.

With Novorossiya also firmly in possession of the territories that hold recently discovered natural gas deposits.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 02, 2022 01:10PM
Bill in NC's posts are depressing me.
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Re: Riddle me this: a super-long convoy, unprotected
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 02, 2022 02:50PM
It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

Russia cements its dominance over the European fossil fuel market.

Becomes the monopoly supplier for natural gas to the UK, Europe, & N. Africa.

If President Z had played ball with Czar Vlad he'd gotten seat on the gravy train as well.

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Bill in NC's posts are depressing me.



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