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What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 10, 2022 07:32PM
NYT:

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In the old days, Charles W. Herbster, a cattle baron and bull semen tycoon…almost certainly would have been forced to pull out of Nebraska’s Republican primary for governor by now. In recent weeks, eight women, including a state senator, have come forward to allege that Mr. Herbster groped them at various Republican events or at beauty pageants at which he was a judge.

But this is post-shame, post-“Access Hollywood” America, so Mr. Trump traveled to Nebraska last week…to show his continued support for Mr. Herbster. “He is innocent of these despicable charges,” Mr. Trump said. And Mr. Herbster, in true Trump fashion, has not only denied the allegations but also filed a defamation suit against one of his accusers…

RollingEyesSmiley5

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Mr. Herbster sees conspiracies everywhere - conspiracies to destroy him, conspiracies to undermine Mr. Trump, conspiracies to unravel the very fabric of the nation.

Do tell.

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It was convoluted but (as best I can understand) goes something like this: The coronavirus was manufactured in a lab in China and released into the United States in early 2020 by “illegals” from Mexico who were also smuggling Chinese-made fentanyl across the border. One of the smugglers, he said, had enough fentanyl in a single backpack to kill the entire population of Nebraska and South Dakota. The goal of this two-pronged attack, he explained, was to create a panic, stoked by Facebook and $400 million of Mark Zuckerberg’s money, to justify allowing voting by mail. Then, through unspecified means, the Chinese government used those mail-in ballots to steal the election…

…and this groping huckster will probably become the next governor of the (formerly) great state of Nebraska.

This is really, really sad - but I mention this piece not to cause despair, but rather determination. The only way for sanity to win is for sane people to vote, and for vote for sane candidates.

This guy is not one.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 10, 2022 07:46PM
PS - this is the guy champion of the common man (who lived in a gold-plated penthouse in Manhattan, until he moved to his golf club in Palm Beach) who endorsed the Nebraska Groper:

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Near the beginning of Donald Trump’s time in office, the then-president had a pressing question for his national-security aides and administration officials: Does China have the secret technology — a weapon, even — to create large, man-made hurricanes and then launch them at the United States? And if so, would this constitute an act of war by a foreign power, and could the U.S. retaliate militarily? Then-President Trump repeatedly asked about this, according to two former senior administration officials and a third person briefed on the matter.

“It was almost too stupid for words,” said a former Trump official…

Google “hurricane gun trump”. I am not kidding.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 10, 2022 08:03PM
…and oh hell, there’s just so many ridiculous things in the news I can’t start a new thread each time:

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TERRIFIED SUSAN COLLINS CALLS COPS AFTER CHALK VIGILANTES POLITELY ASK HER TO PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS

…Maine’s Bangor Daily News reports that the Republican lawmaker called the police over the weekend after “an unknown person or persons wrote a pro-abortion-rights message in chalk on the sidewalk” outside her home. At this time, you might be wondering how literally anything written in chalk would necessitate a call to the cops. Was the message particularly threatening? Did it say something about Collins’s family and what might befall them if she didn’t do exactly what the writer or writers requested?

Erm, not exactly.



(WHPA is, BTW, the proposal the Dems are floating in congress to put Roe into legislation, so that the Republicans, including yes Susan Collins, can filibuster it like everything else.)

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Not-at-all-menacing chalkings aside—the perps wrote, “please,” for @#$%&’s sake—it’s possible that Collins is on edge because deep down inside, she knows she’s helped to screw over millions of pregnant people, having voted to confirm both Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, despite Donald Trump publicly declaring that he would exclusively nominate Supreme Court justices who would help overturn Roe v. Wade. In the case of Kavanaugh, Collins insisted that Justice Beer Bong had told her he believed the landmark ruling was “settled law.”

ROTFL

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…as should’ve been clear already, a spokesperson for the [Bangor Police] force noted that “The message was not overtly threatening.” The local Department of Public Works reportedly washed the message away…and Collins said in a statement that she should have been embarrassed to release,

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“We are grateful to the Bangor police officers and the City public works employee who responded to the defacement of public property in front of our home,”

I can’t even…



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2022 08:06PM by pdq.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 10, 2022 08:27PM
I would think a good handwringing would be in order.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 10, 2022 09:03PM
Or pearl clutching. She's very concerned.

But about Nebraska, heard tonight that 16% of the several hundred men Trump is endorsing as candidates this year have credible accusations of sexual abuse against them.

How do you even find that many if you're trying?

Trash attracts rats and roaches.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 10, 2022 11:51PM
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Lemon Drop
Or pearl clutching. She's very concerned.

But about Nebraska, heard tonight that 16% of the several hundred men Trump is endorsing as candidates this year have credible accusations of sexual abuse against them.

How do you even find that many if you're trying?

Trash attracts rats and roaches.

In this case, cockroaches.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 11, 2022 12:29AM
Herbster did not win. All is not lost. A hell of a lot is but not all.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 11, 2022 06:58AM
As Graylocks notes, two steps forward (and 1 step back).

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In Nebraska, Jim Pillen has won the Republican primary for governor… Pillen's win is a loss for Trump and the power of his endorsement.

It was too close - less than 4 points. Also, the Nebraska groper had pushed the winning candidate to the right:

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Pillen, meanwhile, campaigned on his opposition to abortion rights and critical race theory.

(Yeah, Nebraska is a real hotbed of teaching whatever they think CRT is there). RollingEyesSmiley5

Still, glad to be proven wrong about the Groper being the next governor.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 11, 2022 07:46AM
“We are grateful to the Bangor police officers and the City public works employee who responded to the defacement of public property in front of our home,”

I guess she never new any kids who played hopscotch?

Did Bangor PD dispatch a detail to protect the PW employees while they cleaned up the sidewalk in front of her house?!

Maybe she saw the colored chalk and thought she saw Republican chalk-outlined.

She couldn't get a hose and wash it off herowndamnself?!

Ok, maybe the chalk was HazMat stuff laced with some radioactive isotope.

Wow, to live with that degree of entitlement.




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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 11, 2022 08:02AM
a spokesperson for the [Bangor Police] force noted that “The message was not overtly threatening.”

So she considers her constituents asking her to do something for them a threat?

She will be remembered in history as the idiot who confirmed Kavanaugh.

BTW, I understand that Christine Blasey Ford had to move because of death threats (assumedly made by "pro-lifers").
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: May 11, 2022 09:30AM
Quintessential Susan Collins...

[www.youtube.com]

from 2020
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 11, 2022 01:23PM
Since this kind of turned into a what-stupid/outrageous-thing-did-Republicans-say/do-today thread, how’s this?

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NEW: Republican candidate for Michigan Governor, Ryan Kelley, just came out against democracy: “Socialism—it starts with democracy. That’s the ticket for the left. They want to push this idea of democracy, which turns into socialism, which turns into communism in every instance.

sneaky smiley

I’dprefer to take the cynical viewpoint and say that this is just the kind of thing one has to say to attract attention from GOP voters these days…but what if this guy really believes this?

smiley-shocked003



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Acer
Date: May 11, 2022 01:43PM
The more intellectual version of this argument comes from George Will, who likes to emphasize we are a republic that is ruled by elites (his word), not a direct democracy. Non-elites can't be trusted to make these decisions.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 11, 2022 03:49PM
George Will is a pissy old pseudo-intellectual, who, if he had an ounce of honor, would have resigned from the Republican Party and denounced it years ago.

But, y’know, that’s just my opinion, man.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 11, 2022 06:14PM
George Will has spent the last decade+ trying to fill William F. Buckley's shoes. Word is he made an effort to muscle out Margaret Hoover to take over the reboot of the Firing Line franchise - PBS said no.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: May 11, 2022 06:29PM
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pdq
George Will is a pissy old pseudo-intellectual, who, if he had an ounce of honor, would have resigned from the Republican Party and denounced it years ago.

But he DID; six years ago.
Will dropped his Republican affiliation and declared as independent in 2016 (remember what the Republicans did in 2016?).

“In June 2016, citing his disapproval of Trump, Will told journalist Nicholas Ballasy in an interview that he had left the Republican party and was registered as an unaffiliated voter.”
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 11, 2022 06:40PM
I met George Will under odd circumstances in my hometown, about 28 years ago. He was with Sen. Strom Thurmond at a drive-in restaurant that politicians always visit.

I recognized him and we chatted a minute.
He was interviewing the Senator.
I had my one year old son with me. George Will raised a child with a serious disability.

Although I disagree with his politics and social views, he's a good human.
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 12, 2022 03:22AM
Ryan Kelly is parrotting/pushing the right-wing idea that we are not a Democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.

[pediaa.com]

Never mind that the method of getting into power is the same for both styles of government:
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In both these forms of government, the people select the head of the state and other officials under a free electoral system.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Ted King
Date: May 12, 2022 07:41AM
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Sam3
Ryan Kelly is parrotting/pushing the right-wing idea that we are not a Democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.

[pediaa.com]

Never mind that the method of getting into power is the same for both styles of government:
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Pediaa
In both these forms of government, the people select the head of the state and other officials under a free electoral system.

Since so many conservatives like to invoke the "founding fathers", it is worth looking at their take on what terms best describe our form of government:

[www.britannica.com]

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Given the existing confusion over terminology, it is not surprising that the framers employed various terms to describe the novel government they proposed. A few months after the adjournment of the Constitutional Convention, James Madison, the future fourth president of the United States, proposed a usage that would have lasting influence within the country though little elsewhere. In “Federalist 10,” one of 85 essays by Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay known collectively as the Federalist papers, Madison defined a “pure democracy” as “a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person,” and a republic as “a government in which the scheme of representation takes place.” According to Madison, “The two great points of difference between a democracy and a republic, are: first, the delegation of the government, in the latter, to a small number of citizens elected by the rest; secondly, the greater the number of citizens, and greater sphere of country, over which the latter may be extended.” In short, for Madison, democracy meant direct democracy, and republic meant representative government.

Even among his contemporaries, Madison’s refusal to apply the term democracy to representative governments, even those based on broad electorates, was aberrant. In November 1787, only two months after the convention had adjourned, James Wilson, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, proposed a new classification. “[T]he three species of governments,” he wrote, “are the monarchical, aristocratical and democratical. In a monarchy, the supreme power is vested in a single person; in an aristocracy…by a body not formed upon the principle of representation, but enjoying their station by descent, or election among themselves, or in right of some personal or territorial qualifications; and lastly, in a democracy, it is inherent in a people, and is exercised by themselves or their representatives.” Applying this understanding of democracy to the newly adopted constitution, Wilson asserted that “in its principles,…it is purely democratical: varying indeed in its form in order to admit all the advantages, and to exclude all the disadvantages which are incidental to the known and established constitutions of government. But when we take an extensive and accurate view of the streams of power that appear through this great and comprehensive plan…we shall be able to trace them to one great and noble source, THE PEOPLE.” At the Virginia ratifying convention some months later, John Marshall, the future chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, declared that the “Constitution provided for ‘a well regulated democracy’ where no king, or president, could undermine representative government.”

So even the "founding fathers" did not agree on what terms best described our form of government. Anyone who tries to downplay the representative democracy aspect of our government is just playing semantic games to justify their undemocratic goals.



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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 12, 2022 08:09AM
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Lemon Drop
I met George Will under odd circumstances in my hometown, about 28 years ago. He was with Sen. Strom Thurmond at a drive-in restaurant that politicians always visit.

I recognized him and we chatted a minute.
He was interviewing the Senator.
I had my one year old son with me. George Will raised a child with a serious disability.

And then divorced the mother. Which happens, I understand.

And he also said that he was voting for Biden over Trump in 2020.

I still find him a pissy psuedo-intellectual. (Which is not quite the right term - he is well-educated, but he never misses an opportunity to show us all so).
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Re: What’s wrong with Nebraska (edit: and Trump. and Susan Collins.)
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 12, 2022 04:53PM
George Will has been supplanted by Steve Bannon.



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