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Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: lost in space
Date: May 12, 2022 01:51PM
from CNN

No disrespect to Ms. Judd, but I've never heard it described this way. Does gunshot not suffice?



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 12, 2022 02:22PM
So sad.
Depression is a horrible thing.





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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 12, 2022 02:39PM
I prefer "Succumbed to Depression after a long illness". Those of us who struggle with conditions like Depression can understand.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: jdc
Date: May 12, 2022 02:59PM
Honestly I dont think anyone really needs to know the specifics.

I know the family shared it, but still. how is irrelevant. its the why.





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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 12, 2022 04:15PM
Very sorry to hear this anytime it happens.

We do need to know and understand the toll that easy access to guns takes on our country. Suicide is a big one. Suicide attempts with firearms tend to be successful, where other methods like overdosing are much less so.
People struggling with depression amd suicidal thoughts should not have access to a firearm. Loved ones should make sure of this for the person's safety.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 12, 2022 05:54PM
IIRC, she struggled with health issues (rheumatoid arthritis?) for a long time.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 12, 2022 06:22PM
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pdq
IIRC, she struggled with health issues (rheumatoid arthritis?) for a long time.

She had hepatitis C.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 12, 2022 06:45PM
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Lemon Drop
Very sorry to hear this anytime it happens.

We do need to know and understand the toll that easy access to guns takes on our country. Suicide is a big one. Suicide attempts with firearms tend to be successful, where other methods like overdosing are much less so.
People struggling with depression amd suicidal thoughts should not have access to a firearm. Loved ones should make sure of this for the person's safety.
^^This^^



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2022 08:09PM
It only ran because it's a show biz story. Many people were acquainted with her and her family and feel a connection.

How about the number of women recently who've been killing their children? Sorry, didn't know them. Story evaporates immediately.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 12, 2022 09:53PM
What Steve was referencing:
Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón announced that his office today filed charges against a woman for allegedly murdering her children over the weekend at their home in West Hills.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 13, 2022 09:00AM
just today

South Carolina mom who won Season 20 of Worst Cooks in America is found guilty of beating her three-year-old foster daughter to death and is sentenced to life in prison

There are similar stories appearing on a continuing basis...and then they evaporate
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 13, 2022 09:21AM
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Dennis S


She had hepatitis C.

Isn't there a cure for that now?
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 13, 2022 11:57AM
April 22nd...dead kid, but she wasn't famous

"A 4-year-old girl is dead after her grandmother allegedly forced her to drink a bottle of whiskey while her mother watched, Baton Rouge Police said."

so she's disappeared forever
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: May 13, 2022 12:07PM
You're being really weird about this, Steve.



It is what it is.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: August West
Date: May 13, 2022 12:08PM
Thread-crapper alert!



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: May 13, 2022 01:02PM
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Steve G.
just today

South Carolina mom who won Season 20 of Worst Cooks in America is found guilty of beating her three-year-old foster daughter to death and is sentenced to life in prison

There are similar stories appearing on a continuing basis...and then they evaporate

Steve, your engaging in an ineffective and arrogant form of demanding fealty to your version of some version of “real” compassion or humanity.

This passive aggressive castigation is utterly hollow though because it consists simply of of you impotently stamping your feet with what I assume you think are example after example of tragedies we should be paying as much or more attention to as the subject being discussed.

The disconnect is that we are already aware of such tragedies. We do ache on the deepest levels for the victims. You’re ‘shining a light’ on what’s already lit.

If you want to engage in examination and discussion, examine and discuss. Intelligently. Find an example and give us your thoughts on the who/what/when/where/why of it. I’ve no doubt you’re intelligent enough; no doubt you’d have some interesting things to say.

Open the discussion. Let’s hear it.



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 13, 2022 01:49PM
I was talking about the coverage and the hyped reactions. Show biz folks get preference over 'ordinary folk'.

For instance, the Forest Hills murderer who knifed his victim over 50 times dumped the body at a location I pass all the time. It's horrifying. But there is little public notice in any way. Nary a flower on the spot. Not a mention anywhere (except one followup story).

My concern is how we live our lives through media. The political consequences of this are with us more and more.



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 13, 2022 02:29PM
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My concern is how we live our lives through media. The political consequences of this are with us more and more.

Whoa, I hear The Apprentice was a great show.



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: May 13, 2022 02:53PM
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Steve G.
I was talking about the coverage and the hyped reactions. Show biz folks get preference over 'ordinary folk'.

When has this not been the case?



It is what it is.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 13, 2022 04:13PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Steve G.
I was talking about the coverage and the hyped reactions. Show biz folks get preference over 'ordinary folk'.

When has this not been the case?

If someone i know dies I might mention it to someone acquainted with them but not to someone who didn’t know them at all. Celebrities are “known” by a lot of people and Judd’s music impacted their lives. the media cover stories that have meaning for their readers even though that may not include you, Steve.



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 13, 2022 04:27PM
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lost in space
from CNN

No disrespect to Ms. Judd, but I've never heard it described this way. Does gunshot not suffice?
Perhaps she is differentiating it from a handgun.



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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 13, 2022 05:13PM
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Lux Interior
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Dennis S


She had hepatitis C.

Isn't there a cure for that now?

She got it probably in the early 90’s.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 13, 2022 07:38PM
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graylocks
the media cover stories that have meaning for their readers even though that may not include you, Steve.

There is someone (or maybe a group) who make the decisions on what you see. I've seen decades of people who edit the news. Some of the stories they decide to play are based on the criteria you mentioned. The others are 'real' news that actually affect the way you live and the course of our society and world. Crime, celebrity...human interest are just there to 'sell papers'. As a media sales person, the importance of curating your programming is important in forming an audience to make your sale to advertisers.

If you doubt me, just consider the decisions that go into making Fox News. They are in another galaxy, but they corral those crazy viewers like crazy. (This crosses over into political power, which is another end of the game. The press battles and lies have been raging since the early days of America. Only now they've gotten worse.)


One of the projects that i will probably never around to is a 'news' feed consisting of 'human interest and crime' newspaper stories from over 100 years ago. With a few details changed, most people wouldn't even notice the difference.
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 13, 2022 10:03PM
No disrespect to Ms. Judd, but

Ok...



Perhaps she is differentiating it from a handgun.


A possibility.

As difficult as sharing that information might be, she might also be emphasizing that it wasn't merely a gun, but a weapon, a firearm.

Maybe she's questioning it's presence and access in a way the very common, ubiquitous 'gun' or 'gunshot'.

Or maybe those two words make the sharing more painful for her, and weapon and firearm are less graphic to her.


But my question is why would her choice of words be an issue, enough to mention, to question.

It's her mother, her interview, her perspective, her pain, her words.

She or they needn't meet anyone's approval.






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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 14, 2022 08:20PM
It's all heartbreaking
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Re: Naomi Judd died of a self-inflicted firearm wound
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: May 15, 2022 12:48AM
I think it's OK to just not talk about it.



It is what it is.
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