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Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 13, 2022 03:12PM
not like the pioneering banning books and abortions and all that other stuff.

California is entering the next budget year with a record-smashing surplus of nearly $100 billion, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Friday.

Newsom unveiled a revised budget plan of just over $300 billion for the next fiscal year, the highest in state history and fueled by surging tax revenues. The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January, leaving it with an estimated $97.5 billion surplus.

California is home to about 39 million people and has an economy that’s larger than all but four nations. The surplus alone is much bigger than nearly every other state's annual budget.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 13, 2022 03:17PM
Tax relief, give it all back to Californians except those that moved to Texas. We don’t need no services.



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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: May 13, 2022 03:39PM
With 39 million residents, a rebate would only give ~$25 to each.



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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Ted King
Date: May 13, 2022 04:00PM
Maybe California should spend a big chunk of that money on building more water recycling plants, repairing and replacing water infrastructure to cut down on loss and ways to capture more storm water.



e pluribus unum



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2022 04:02PM by Ted King.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Acer
Date: May 13, 2022 04:03PM
Series I Bonds!
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: May 13, 2022 04:57PM
what is the surplus account for the 6th largest economy (nation) in the world?
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: May 13, 2022 06:03PM
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Ombligo
With 39 million residents, a rebate would only give ~$25 to each.

$2564, actually.

$100 billion is a LOT of money.



It is what it is.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 13, 2022 07:21PM
It's not sexy but a rollback of the state sales tax would most benefit those who need help.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: btfc
Date: May 13, 2022 08:08PM
Help Wanted - Forest Rakers.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: May 14, 2022 07:13AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Ombligo
With 39 million residents, a rebate would only give ~$25 to each.

$2564, actually.

$100 billion is a LOT of money.

And keep in mind that’s the TOTAL California population, which includes children. Non-taxpayers like children wouldn’t be getting ANY state tax rebates.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: May 14, 2022 07:50AM
They'll spend it all and be hurting again when the next severe recession hits in 2023-24.

Spending it all is what cost Democrats control of my state which they had held since WWII once the Great Recession hit.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 14, 2022 09:49AM
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Bill in NC
They'll spend it all and be hurting again when the next severe recession hits in 2023-24.

Spending it all is what cost Democrats control of my state which they had held since WWII once the Great Recession hit.

Ummm…there may gave been some other reasons for the acendency of the GOP in the south…
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 14, 2022 09:53AM
Maybe use some of it to import some water.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 14, 2022 10:34AM
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GGD
Maybe use some of it to import some water.

from where, Nevada?
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Rolando
Date: May 14, 2022 11:34AM
Build solar powered desalinization plants.



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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 14, 2022 05:33PM
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RgrF
It's not sexy but a rollback of the state sales tax would most benefit those who need help.

Since it was Jerry that engineered these surpluses in order to effect a rainy day fund that sounds like something he'd think of doing. Newsome can only spend the discretionary element but I'm sure the state will need all the money it can to battle these fires and mitigate severe drought conditions.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Ted King
Date: May 14, 2022 05:44PM
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Rolando
Build solar powered desalinization plants.

[www.reuters.com]

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COSTA MESA, Calif., May 12 (Reuters) - California regulators on Thursday rejected a $1.4 billion desalination plant on environmental grounds, dealing a setback to Governor Gavin Newsom, who had supported the project as a partial solution for the state's sustained drought.

The California Coastal Commission voted 11-0 to reject the proposal by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada's Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO), to build the plant on a low-lying coastal site at Huntington Beach, near the town of Costa Mesa, about 30 miles (50 km) south of Los Angeles.

The plant was designed to convert Pacific Ocean water into 50 million gallons (189.3 million liters) of drinking water a day.

That is enough for 400,000 people, but the plant would use a process that staff experts at the commission said would devastate marine life and expose the plant to future risk of sea level rise while producing expensive water too costly for low-income consumers.

Environmentalists who have opposed the project for years burst into celebration after the vote in a Costa Mesa hotel conference room.

I'm not sure all desalination plant proposals would suffer from the same downsides, but that's why I earlier posted, "...[California] should spend a big chunk of that money on building more water recycling plants, repairing and replacing water infrastructure to cut down on loss and ways to capture more storm water."



e pluribus unum
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 14, 2022 06:30PM
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Ted King
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Rolando
Build solar powered desalinization plants.

[www.reuters.com]

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COSTA MESA, Calif., May 12 (Reuters) - California regulators on Thursday rejected a $1.4 billion desalination plant on environmental grounds, dealing a setback to Governor Gavin Newsom, who had supported the project as a partial solution for the state's sustained drought.

The California Coastal Commission voted 11-0 to reject the proposal by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada's Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO), to build the plant on a low-lying coastal site at Huntington Beach, near the town of Costa Mesa, about 30 miles (50 km) south of Los Angeles.

The plant was designed to convert Pacific Ocean water into 50 million gallons (189.3 million liters) of drinking water a day.

That is enough for 400,000 people, but the plant would use a process that staff experts at the commission said would devastate marine life and expose the plant to future risk of sea level rise while producing expensive water too costly for low-income consumers.

Environmentalists who have opposed the project for years burst into celebration after the vote in a Costa Mesa hotel conference room.

I'm not sure all desalination plant proposals would suffer from the same downsides, but that's why I earlier posted, "...[California] should spend a big chunk of that money on building more water recycling plants, repairing and replacing water infrastructure to cut down on loss and ways to capture more storm water."

That means build more dams and the public isn't gonna go for that. There are 2 new reservoirs being built but in areas that some feel aren't placed strategically. The Sites Reservoir is on the west side of the Sacramento Valley, which means water isn't captured but will be pumped/pipe to it from a great distance. Temperance Flats is on an already controlled San Joaquin river.

The San Joaquin river drains the valley of the same name and was allowed to run dry along a great deal of its path. After decades of public outcry it was restored to flow again. The goal of which is to restore native trout and salmon fisheries.

By law x amount of water has to go out to sea.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Ted King
Date: May 14, 2022 07:12PM
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vision63
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Ted King
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Rolando
Build solar powered desalinization plants.

[www.reuters.com]

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COSTA MESA, Calif., May 12 (Reuters) - California regulators on Thursday rejected a $1.4 billion desalination plant on environmental grounds, dealing a setback to Governor Gavin Newsom, who had supported the project as a partial solution for the state's sustained drought.

The California Coastal Commission voted 11-0 to reject the proposal by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada's Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO), to build the plant on a low-lying coastal site at Huntington Beach, near the town of Costa Mesa, about 30 miles (50 km) south of Los Angeles.

The plant was designed to convert Pacific Ocean water into 50 million gallons (189.3 million liters) of drinking water a day.

That is enough for 400,000 people, but the plant would use a process that staff experts at the commission said would devastate marine life and expose the plant to future risk of sea level rise while producing expensive water too costly for low-income consumers.

Environmentalists who have opposed the project for years burst into celebration after the vote in a Costa Mesa hotel conference room.

I'm not sure all desalination plant proposals would suffer from the same downsides, but that's why I earlier posted, "...[California] should spend a big chunk of that money on building more water recycling plants, repairing and replacing water infrastructure to cut down on loss and ways to capture more storm water."

That means build more dams and the public isn't gonna go for that. There are 2 new reservoirs being built but in areas that some feel aren't placed strategically. The Sites Reservoir is on the west side of the Sacramento Valley, which means water isn't captured but will be pumped/pipe to it from a great distance. Temperance Flats is on an already controlled San Joaquin river.

The San Joaquin river drains the valley of the same name and was allowed to run dry along a great deal of its path. After decades of public outcry it was restored to flow again. The goal of which is to restore native trout and salmon fisheries.

By law x amount of water has to go out to sea.

What I was referring to is primarily things that could be done in urban areas to recycle water and catch storm runoff:

[www.governing.com]



e pluribus unum
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 14, 2022 07:42PM
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Ted King
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vision63
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Ted King
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Rolando
Build solar powered desalinization plants.

[www.reuters.com]

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COSTA MESA, Calif., May 12 (Reuters) - California regulators on Thursday rejected a $1.4 billion desalination plant on environmental grounds, dealing a setback to Governor Gavin Newsom, who had supported the project as a partial solution for the state's sustained drought.

The California Coastal Commission voted 11-0 to reject the proposal by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada's Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO), to build the plant on a low-lying coastal site at Huntington Beach, near the town of Costa Mesa, about 30 miles (50 km) south of Los Angeles.

The plant was designed to convert Pacific Ocean water into 50 million gallons (189.3 million liters) of drinking water a day.

That is enough for 400,000 people, but the plant would use a process that staff experts at the commission said would devastate marine life and expose the plant to future risk of sea level rise while producing expensive water too costly for low-income consumers.

Environmentalists who have opposed the project for years burst into celebration after the vote in a Costa Mesa hotel conference room.

I'm not sure all desalination plant proposals would suffer from the same downsides, but that's why I earlier posted, "...[California] should spend a big chunk of that money on building more water recycling plants, repairing and replacing water infrastructure to cut down on loss and ways to capture more storm water."

That means build more dams and the public isn't gonna go for that. There are 2 new reservoirs being built but in areas that some feel aren't placed strategically. The Sites Reservoir is on the west side of the Sacramento Valley, which means water isn't captured but will be pumped/pipe to it from a great distance. Temperance Flats is on an already controlled San Joaquin river.

The San Joaquin river drains the valley of the same name and was allowed to run dry along a great deal of its path. After decades of public outcry it was restored to flow again. The goal of which is to restore native trout and salmon fisheries.

By law x amount of water has to go out to sea.

What I was referring to is primarily things that could be done in urban areas to recycle water and catch storm runoff:

[www.governing.com]

Eeewww.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: bfd
Date: May 15, 2022 07:45PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Ombligo
With 39 million residents, a rebate would only give ~$25 to each.

$2564, actually.

$100 billion is a LOT of money.

$2564 and a dime.

No need to let 'em keep that dime, either. They add up fast! ($3.9m)
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 15, 2022 08:28PM
CA has a state sales tax that sits at the apex of those state regressive taxes, reducing it by 2% for all but luxury items* would result in putting money in pockets most in need.

*raw deal for Bentley owners but someone always gets the shaft
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: May 16, 2022 11:56AM
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pdq
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Bill in NC
They'll spend it all and be hurting again when the next severe recession hits in 2023-24.

Spending it all is what cost Democrats control of my state which they had held since WWII once the Great Recession hit.

Ummm…there may gave been some other reasons for the acendency of the GOP in the south…

Democrats here retained firm control until multiple 'emergency' sales tax increases during the Great Recession.

The (D) governor at the time was not even allowed to run for re-election by her own party.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2022 11:56AM by Bill in NC.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: pdq
Date: May 17, 2022 11:53PM
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Bill in NC
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pdq
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Bill in NC
They'll spend it all and be hurting again when the next severe recession hits in 2023-24.

Spending it all is what cost Democrats control of my state which they had held since WWII once the Great Recession hit.

Ummm…there may gave been some other reasons for the acendency of the GOP in the south…

Democrats here retained firm control until multiple 'emergency' sales tax increases during the Great Recession.

The (D) governor at the time was not even allowed to run for re-election by her own party.

confused smiley

Wikipedia says of the 25 NC governors between 1877 and 1973, only one was a Republican. After that (ie about the time of Nixon’s southern strategy), you’ve had 3 Republicans and 5 Dems. Perdue came in 2009, at the depths of the great recession, served one term. Then a Republican for one term, currently a Dem again.

Maybe the legislature turned over? From a distance, I’m not seeing a clear pattern, at least in guvs, and as I said, the only obvious one seemed to start in the early 70’s. But you probably have a better view.
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Re: Blue State bankruptcy! California budget surplus closing in on $100 billion
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: May 18, 2022 10:40AM
Yep, the legislature.

As one commentator joked when the governor of SC went "hiking on the Appalachian trail" governors in the southern USA traditionally have had the political power of a school crossing guard.



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