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Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 05, 2022 06:26PM
Rep. Donald Beyer of Virginia is boing to introduce a bill that would tax assault weapons at 1000%. Such a move would not need any GOP votes to pass (just Manchin and Sinema). Since a basic AR-15 or AK-47 costs about $500, it would raise the price to $5,500. Such a move would not restrict sales or create any 2nd Amendment complications, but it would likely reduce sales.

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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: jonny
Date: June 05, 2022 06:36PM
These guys should be focusing on ammunition. The guns are already out there. The bullets… not so much.
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: June 05, 2022 06:44PM
I'm pretty sure Chris Rock was the first to tell this joke... Over 20 years ago.




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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: srf1957
Date: June 05, 2022 06:46PM
You can't tax one built by self .
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: jonny
Date: June 05, 2022 07:03PM
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M A V I C
I'm pretty sure Chris Rock was the first to tell this joke... Over 20 years ago.

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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 05, 2022 10:12PM
I suspect a bill of this kind won't pass through Congress, but if it does, it will be like laws that have been passed to discourage abortions in the past (before the really radical anti-abortion bills started rolling out in some state legislatures) - those laws didn't stop abortions but they probably did keep some abortions from happening. Such a tax wouldn't keep people from making their own or buying them at a higher price anyway, but it might keep someone from buying one and using it the next day to kill a classroom full of kids.



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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 07, 2022 07:02AM
Interesting graphics in the article.

The Mass Shootings Where Stricter Gun Laws Might Have Made a Difference

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If the key gun control proposals now being considered in Congress had been law since 1999, four gunmen younger than 21 would have been blocked from legally buying the rifles they used in mass shootings.

At least four other assailants would have been subject to a required background check, instead of slipping through a loophole. Ten might have been unable to steal their weapons because of efforts to require or encourage safer gun storage. And 20 might not have been allowed to legally purchase the large-capacity magazines that they used to upgrade their guns, helping them kill, on average, 16 people each.

Taken together, those four measures might have changed the course of at least 35 mass shootings — a third of such episodes in the United States since the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, a New York Times analysis has found. Those 35 shootings killed a combined 446 people.



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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 10, 2022 01:50PM
The lawsuit against a 1,000% tax is already outlined. It would prevent the poor from being able to defend themselves.



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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 10, 2022 03:41PM
Plenty of less powerful options available. The whole point of the crusade against AR-15s is that they are unnecessarily powerful for basic defense or hunting. Remember, there's always a knife, which I am told, oh, you know.
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 10, 2022 03:56PM
The argument will go, 2nd amendment right to defend yourself with a firearm, most common option is a pistol of some sort, can't afford one at $3500 each. Massive lawsuit, as they will be unattainable by the poor.

A tax that unduly burdens the poor? That's a Republican thing.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 10, 2022 05:42PM
Are the poor buying guns, even at a bargain?
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 10, 2022 05:47PM
HiPoints, Taurus and base model Rugers are under $300. HiPoints about $200

My partner's nephew has a HiPoint .380, and that ugly POS always works. I shot it about a month ago.

LOTS of HiPoints come in during buy-backs.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2022 05:50PM by Racer X.
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 10, 2022 07:42PM
Ok, the 1000% tax is on assault-style weapons [definition objections noted], so this does not affect handguns for the poor. Except perhaps if the poor feel they need to defend themselves from those who could afford the 1000% tax on assault-style weapons, and good God what a mess of a country.
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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 10, 2022 08:40PM
Expect the rodent and small game populations to explode in many areas, which is probably what the lobbying arm of the Lepus Liberation League wanted. Ruger 10/22 selling for $2750 is just goofy.



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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 10, 2022 10:55PM
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Expect the rodent and small game populations to explode in many areas...

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Re: Creative gun control - just tax them at 1000%.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 10, 2022 11:37PM
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“A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.” Seneca the Younger

The police have no duty to respond. See Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005) or Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)

Judge Lee wrote that “we cannot jettison our constitutional rights, even if the goal behind a law is laudable." 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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