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Amazon reviews for The Boys turning into a political forum - WOKE!!
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Date: June 18, 2022 10:59PM
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Date: June 19, 2022 04:54AM
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Date: June 19, 2022 08:04AM
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Date: June 19, 2022 08:14AM
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Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 19, 2022 08:19AM
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Date: June 19, 2022 10:37AM
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Date: June 19, 2022 11:07AM
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Posted by: August West
Date: June 19, 2022 12:11PM
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Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 19, 2022 12:26PM
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I never thought the concept of being woke was a negative
Nor I, but it's been slung around as invective for some time now...
Re: Amazon reviews for The Boys turning into a political forum - WOKE!!
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 02:29PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: June 19, 2022 02:39PM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 02:42PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: June 19, 2022 02:49PM
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Woke" has always been a negative. The goal has been to encourage others to conform to a way of of thought by feeling shame for not conforming."
Sorry but that is an historically inaccurate and really bad take.
See my comment anove.
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 02:58PM
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Woke" has always been a negative. The goal has been to encourage others to conform to a way of of thought by feeling shame for not conforming."
Sorry but that is an historically inaccurate and really bad take.
See my comment anove.
It's totally accurate. It's all within the middle of my culture from it's beginning. I understand why it started and why people used it. It started out innocently enough. It got a big boost on "School Daze." But what it's become is just something useless and negative.
It's not just that. It's virtually "any" other collectivized slogan.
Re: Amazon reviews for The Boys turning into a political forum - WOKE!!
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 19, 2022 03:13PM
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Woke" has always been a negative. The goal has been to encourage others to conform to a way of of thought by feeling shame for not conforming."
Sorry but that is an historically inaccurate and really bad take.
See my comment anove.
It's totally accurate. It's all within the middle of my culture from it's beginning. I understand why it started and why people used it. It started out innocently enough. It got a big boost on "School Daze." But what it's become is just something useless and negative.
It's not just that. It's virtually "any" other collectivized slogan.
I think you are using white people's bastardization of a term we have never owned to make a case for...I'm not sure what.
The average white person doesn't understand the term. (see above for examples)
We can't throw out language, or history.
People using "stay woke" as a put down are being dumb. I don't use it at all, does not belong to me.
Re: Amazon reviews for The Boys turning into a political forum - WOKE!!
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 03:22PM
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Woke" has always been a negative. The goal has been to encourage others to conform to a way of of thought by feeling shame for not conforming."
Sorry but that is an historically inaccurate and really bad take.
See my comment anove.
It's totally accurate. It's all within the middle of my culture from it's beginning. I understand why it started and why people used it. It started out innocently enough. It got a big boost on "School Daze." But what it's become is just something useless and negative.
It's not just that. It's virtually "any" other collectivized slogan.
I think you are using white people's bastardization of a term we have never owned to make a case for...I'm not sure what.
The average white person doesn't understand the term. (see above for examples)
We can't throw out language, or history.
People using "stay woke" as a put down are being dumb. I don't use it at all, does not belong to me.
It's just words. it doesn't belong to anybody. Anybody claiming it does is an internal enemy seeking purity, seeking conformity and then trying to be exclusive about it. A person like you, who has "only" been a good, honest and caring person is supposed to feel guilty.
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Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 19, 2022 03:26PM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 04:02PM
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How “woke” is used now is the issue.
Clearly the common meaning of “gay” in the 21st Century is NOT the same as its common meaning in the 19th Century (and the first half of the 20th).
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Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 19, 2022 04:16PM
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"Woke" caught on in black communities as an ironic description of self-aggrandizing white folks who ....."
No....
May be used that way NOW sometimes. But "Stay woke" dates from at least the 1930s and is from African American Vernacular English....
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 04:36PM
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"Woke" caught on in black communities as an ironic description of self-aggrandizing white folks who ....."
No....
May be used that way NOW sometimes. But "Stay woke" dates from at least the 1930s and is from African American Vernacular English....
That's not slang. It's being used to mean "alert" or "awake" there. Synonyms.
The OED is not much use when you're looking up 21st century slang.
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Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 19, 2022 05:33PM
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I never refer to Black English as "slang."
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Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 19, 2022 05:55PM
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Wittgenstein’s view of language is also important for anyone engaging in philosophy. The dictum: ‘In most cases, meaning is use’ serves as a vital corrective for the impulse to launch into vague metaphysical speculations premised on the misuse of words. Take the word ‘God’, for example. The contemporary debate between atheists and believers is premised on the idea that the word ‘God’ either represents something in the real world, or it does not. Believers argue that it does (and tie themselves in knots trying to verify this claim), while atheists argue that it doesn’t. However, both parties to this debate unwittingly rely on a picture theory of language. On this theory, language represents facts about the world. What is says is either true or false. Never the twain shall meet.
A Wittgensteinian approach to the debate begins by pointing out ‘God’ is a word that has different meanings in the context of different communities. In the context of different linguistic communities, people use ‘God’ in different ways to articulate different facets of experience (consider ‘It’s in God’s hands now’ or ‘When the sun rose, I felt the presence of God’). Another way of thinking about the meaning of ‘God’, therefore, is to see peoples’ use of this term as a move in a social language game – a move that ideally has specific connotations for members of a community. Perhaps the term expresses fidelity to a way of life, as Karen Armstrong argues. Perhaps it expresses wonder in the face of existence. The bottom line is that using a term does not necessarily imply a belief in an entity that corresponds to this term. The meaning of a word hinges on its usefulness in context, not its ideal referent outside of all possible contexts.
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 19, 2022 07:03PM
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I never refer to Black English as "slang."
Might try to stay away from that phrase.
It's slang, or if you want to sound erudite it's AAVE.
Using the phrase "Black English" is an insult in many places. It's a code-switching problem where some uses by some people in some contexts are probably fine, but many white folks use it to imply that the target is uneducated or unintelligent, so unless you're very confident that you're using it correctly with the right audience I suggest that you pick a substitute word or phrase.
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Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 19, 2022 07:31PM
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Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 19, 2022 08:56PM
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How “woke” is used now is the issue.
Clearly the common meaning of “gay” in the 21st Century is NOT the same as its common meaning in the 19th Century (and the first half of the 20th).
You're gonna get in trouble with any language reference like that. Nobody knows how or when the term "gay" became synonymous with homosexuals, but some theories put it back to 17th century France, others Victorian England, others WWI. I've read many plausible theories on that.
Understanding history and context makes our conversations richer, more meaningful. Don't you agree?
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Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 19, 2022 10:24PM
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: June 19, 2022 10:31PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: June 20, 2022 12:03AM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 20, 2022 09:09AM
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How “woke” is used now is the issue.
Clearly the common meaning of “gay” in the 21st Century is NOT the same as its common meaning in the 19th Century (and the first half of the 20th).
You're gonna get in trouble with any language reference like that. Nobody knows how or when the term "gay" became synonymous with homosexuals, but some theories put it back to 17th century France, others Victorian England, others WWI. I've read many plausible theories on that.
Understanding history and context makes our conversations richer, more meaningful. Don't you agree?
Do you have examples of “gay” being used in the popular (widely distributed) media of the 19th or early 20th Century where the clear, intended and understood-by-readers meaning was as it is used, intended and understood now?
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Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 20, 2022 09:35AM
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Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 20, 2022 03:56PM
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Lemon Drop
I guess we don't agree. As we all know, prior to the Sexual Revolution nobody discussed homosexuality in public much at all. So not sure why youre expecting that type of reference.
It was in the shadows.
One of the more prevalent theories about the origins of "gay" to describe homosexual men is from Victorian England. Ladies of the evening were known as "gay women" because they showed clients a happy time. So police began to use "gay" as code for male prostitutes, particularly after the arrest and imprisonment of Oscar Wilde for "indecency?"
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And the persecution continues. Over to you Ron Desantis and Texas GOP.