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Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 19, 2022 09:46PM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 20, 2022 09:17AM
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Posted by: prymsnap
Date: June 20, 2022 10:04AM
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Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 20, 2022 10:29AM
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Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 20, 2022 10:49AM
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prymsnap
I have such mixed emotions about all this. Doing nothing (not holding hearings, not determining if prosecution should follow) is wrong on so many levels. But moving forward has spectacular pitfalls. Jack Goldsmith's NYT opinion article today in NYT lays it out in a manner that chills me to the bone. (Sorry for not adding the link: I tried. And failed. Would love to figure out what I'm doing wrong in my efforts to add a functioning link. I'm just too freaked out right now to think more clearly.)
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: prymsnap
Date: June 20, 2022 10:55AM
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prymsnap
I have such mixed emotions about all this. Doing nothing (not holding hearings, not determining if prosecution should follow) is wrong on so many levels. But moving forward has spectacular pitfalls. Jack Goldsmith's NYT opinion article today in NYT lays it out in a manner that chills me to the bone. (Sorry for not adding the link: I tried. And failed. Would love to figure out what I'm doing wrong in my efforts to add a functioning link. I'm just too freaked out right now to think more clearly.)
Is this the article?:
[www.nytimes.com]
I just copied the URL and pasted it into the text field here. Were you trying to use the "Insert URL" widget? If so, if you just want to post a straight URL you don't have to use that, just copy and paste it into the text field.
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 20, 2022 11:03AM
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Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 20, 2022 11:28AM
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Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 20, 2022 11:33AM
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Posted by: prymsnap
Date: June 20, 2022 11:34AM
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Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 20, 2022 11:39AM
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graylocks
The Goldsmith essay leaves we thinking this country is just totally screwed. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. we will never be okay as a country again. sorry to be leaving future generations what feels like an unfixable mess.
on a related note, Goldsmith writes Many have noted that Mr. Trump can plausibly defend these charges by arguing that he lacked criminal intent because he truly believed that massive voter fraud had taken place.
When I was growing up I always heard that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Is that not actually true anymore? Was it ever?
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 20, 2022 01:03PM
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prymsnap
I have such mixed emotions about all this. Doing nothing (not holding hearings, not determining if prosecution should follow) is wrong on so many levels. But moving forward has spectacular pitfalls. Jack Goldsmith's NYT opinion article today in NYT lays it out in a manner that chills me to the bone. (Sorry for not adding the link: I tried. And failed. Would love to figure out what I'm doing wrong in my efforts to add a functioning link. I'm just too freaked out right now to think more clearly.)
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 20, 2022 04:22PM
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Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 20, 2022 07:02PM
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RAMd®d
I'd like to think if it actually happened, that would disqualify him from running for president.
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: bfd
Date: June 20, 2022 07:45PM
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Posted by: deckeda
Date: June 20, 2022 09:51PM
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Posted by: pdq
Date: June 21, 2022 07:59AM
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RAMd®d
I'd like to think if it actually happened, that would disqualify him from running for president.
Still would not disqualify him. As long as he meets the constitutional requirements (at least 35 years of age, be a natural born citizen, and must have lived in the United States for at least 14 years.) and the Senate has not voted to disqualify him after voting to uphold impeachment, He can run.
Charles Manson was qualified to be elected President.
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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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Theoretically, yes…But since this mechanism has never been used against a president, there are still questions to resolve. The disqualification clause applies to current and former federal officials, state officials, and military officials. However, legal scholars are split on whether the disqualification clause applies to the presidency. It's likely the 14th Amendment will continue to come up in conversations approaching the 2024 presidential election.
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Most importantly, under the 14th Amendment, disqualification requires only a simple majority vote, not the two-thirds vote needed to convict during an impeachment trial.
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: AllGold
Date: June 21, 2022 03:48PM
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pdq
Even if Dems lose the majority, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were enough Repubs that would join to put this all behind them permanently.
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 21, 2022 04:17PM
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AllGold
Republicans already made a spectacular mistake by not already doing this along with an impeachment conviction. They could have washed their hands of Trump and had their party back but they made a political calculation--incredibly stupid as it was--that they wanted to keep him.
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Posted by: deckeda
Date: June 21, 2022 08:35PM
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Republicans already made a spectacular mistake by not already doing this along with an impeachment conviction. They could have washed their hands of Trump and had their party back but they made a political calculation--incredibly stupid as it was--that they wanted to keep him.
They chose keeping jobs over doing their jobs.
Re: Trump Treason hearing: 'Jan. 6 committee will show evidence of Trump's involvement in fake elector plot'
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 22, 2022 11:02AM
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Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 22, 2022 11:27AM
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Lemon Drop
Watched yesterday's hearing late last night on cspan. Very compelling. Chairman Thompson continues to impress with his leadership.
Was impressed by AZ House Speaker's testimony, Randy Bowers I believe is his name. Put loyalty to country and state over politics. Clearly identified the illegal behavior of Team Trump. Recounted threats to his staff and his own family.
However, and here is where our American problem lies, this morning the same man said he would vote for Trump in 2024.
WTF.