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US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: gadje
Date: June 21, 2022 08:29PM
I didn't read much about the UK citizens captures in Ukraine a few weeks ago, but I saw new headlines about US veterans captured by Russian in Ukraine. Such a difficult situation. Is there anything that US can do legally to save them?
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Re: US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 21, 2022 08:32PM
Well, they should be treated as prisoners of war, assuming they were properly enlisted into the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. They’ve been sentenced to death by a Russian court because of course “rules of war “ don’t mean bupkis because it’s not “a war”.

They will be used as negotiating points. Russia is good at arresting people, sentencing them to death, and using them as pawns. Basic Barbary Coast Pirate techniques from the 1700’s.
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Re: US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 21, 2022 08:35PM
This is the problem, and almost unavoidable outcome of US citizens fighting in Ukraine. The plus for Ukraine is a handful more soldiers, when they already have millions (- what they really need is more, and more modern, weapons).

The plus for Russia is much greater when they are captured.

While one can admire these folks bravery, it’s really probably counterproductive in the net.
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Re: US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 22, 2022 06:27AM
Local news is reporting that the second American death is from my town. 53-year-old Stephen Zabielski of Hernando was killed in fighting outside Dorozhniank, Ukraine.



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.” -- François de La Rochefoucauld

"Those who cannot accept the past are condemned to revise it." -- Geo. Mathias



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Re: US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 22, 2022 09:07AM
Lincoln Battalion

"The Lincoln Battalion was formed by a group of volunteers from the United States who served in the Spanish Civil War as soldiers, technicians, medical personnel and aviators fighting for Spanish Republican forces against the Nazi-supported forces of General Francisco Franco and his Nationalist faction. The Lincoln Battalion integrated white and black volunteers on an equal basis. Of the approximately 3,015 volunteers from the US, 681 were killed in action or died of wounds or sickness."
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Re: US and UK citizens captured in Ukraine
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 22, 2022 09:46AM
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cbelt3
Well, they should be treated as prisoners of war, assuming they were properly enlisted into the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. They’ve been sentenced to death by a Russian court because of course “rules of war “ don’t mean bupkis because it’s not “a war”.

The Russians say that the Americans are "soldiers of fortune" and not subject to the Geneva Conventions. Without being formal members of the Ukrainian military, their actions are being treated as criminal activities subject to the death penalty.

They've sentenced a British man to death for the same activities.

It's not clear whether they held proper hearings to determine the status of the foreign-combatants. That much is required under the Conventions even for mercenaries.

More:
[time.com]



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