ScOTUS decision on Dobbs just dropped.

6-3 by Alito, Roberts joined the conservatives.



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No surprise but yet a surprise the Supremes would overturn a previous decision for first time in history. 6-3

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samintx
No surprise but yet a surprise the Supremes would overturn a previous decision for first time in history. 6-3

Sad sad

It is sad. And deadly for women. Abortion has been safe and legal in the US since I was 11 years old. And I'm 60 now. It's like waking up in a different country.

It's going to be a legal civil war between the states as a crazy patchwork of laws go into effect.



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Add it to the list of Roberts court.
What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

Thomas wrote in his concurring opinion that they should look at "same sex relationships and same sex marriage" too.

I mean those are not in the Constitution either.

This court.

Too bad "None of your damn business" is not in the Constitution.

I'm going to take this opportunity to paste a post I made on Facebook yesterday. It was accompanied by a picture of me and my pup Cooper who is my Facebook algorithm click bait. Doing this bit of advancing the struggle made me feel a little less helpless. Only a little. The task before us is immense.

June 26 is both my birthday and the day last year that Cooper came into my home. Cooper and I are celebrating by sharing with you my involvement with the Save Our States (SOS) Giving Circle of The States Project, an organization I learned about from producer Julie Wolf.

The ultra conservative right has been playing a long game for decades, seriously out maneuvering us to gain control of not only the SCOTUS but also key state legislatures. This is why abortion access is on the ropes, voting rights are facing restrictions, gerrymandering is eliminating progressive congressional seats, and LGBTQ rights are being targeted. This is all happening at the STATE level.

The States Project works to directly impact state legislative offices by endorsing, funding, and training progressive candidates. The States Project determines which states’ legislatures have the potential to be flipped Red to Blue, and which Blue states need assistance defending their majority. Federal elections are important but money-wise it often takes less money to change the balance of power in an entire state chamber than win a single competitive congressional seat.

Giving Circles are the fundraising streams for The States Project and Julie Wolf serves on the Steering Committee of the SOS Giving Circle. SOS recently voted to have the $100K they have raised so far allocated to defending the Democratic majority in North Carolina and to try to flip the Michigan legislature from Red to Blue.

I am hoping you will join me and Julie in this Giving Circle by contributing directly to SOS/The States project. The States Project is a PAC and ineligible to be Facebook birthday fundraiser. Here is a donation link: https://saveourstates.statesprojectgivingcircles.org.

Democrats and Progressives need to take back the state legislatures. It is not going to happen overnight but it is time for US to have the long term plan for creating the change we are so desperate for.
Please feel free to share this post!

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@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

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@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

Or who just didn't care enough to vote.

There is nothing in the Constitition that says you have a right to carry a concealed weapon in public, or that states cannot put all kinds of restrictions on that, or outlaw it completely.

And yet, we got yesterday's ruling.

Originalism has always been a joke, but this Court has removed all doubt.

Results-based jurisprudence. What result do you want? We'll find a way.

Chief Justice Roberts did not write a full concurring opinion. . He appears to think this ruling goes way too far. He wanted to uphold Mississippi's law restricting abortion to 15 weeks, not outlaw the procedure altogether.

His Court is going to have a @#$%& reputation and he knows it.

In their scathing joint dissent, the court’s liberal justices wrote, “The majority has overruled Roe and Casey for one and only one reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them. The majority thereby substitutes a rule by judges for the rule of law.”

“The majority would allow States to ban abortion from conception onward because it does not think forced childbirth at all implicates a woman’s rights to equality and freedom,” said the dissent by Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

“Today’s Court, that is, does not think there is anything of constitutional significance attached to a woman’s control of her body and the path of her life,” it said. “A State can force her to bring a pregnancy to term, even at the steepest personal and familial costs.”

I think there are some people on SCOTUS that think that after a stopover in hell, they will be welcomed into heaven.

ahhhh, theologians. so sure.

hopefully this will help to bring out the mid-term vote and wake the dems the f'k up!

guns and babies, hoorah!

The Handmaids Tale becomes the new "book".

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There are a number of medical conditions pregnant women can experience for which the lifesaving treatment is abortion. Ectopic pregnancy, septic uterus , and miscarriage that will not release are among them. Doctors in states that have outlawed the procedure have already in some medical cases refused to do the procedure over fear of prosecution. In one Texas case the woman got a flight to Colorado for the procedure, though she could have bled to death on the flight.

This is our world now.

Thank you for sharing that graylocks. Very much appreciate your activism.

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Lemon Drop
Thomas wrote in his concurring opinion that they should look at "same sex relationships and same sex marriage" too.

I mean those are not in the Constitution either.

This court.

Neither is Loving v. Virginia but I noticed he didn't mention that one. I wonder why (sarc/).

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@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

Or who just didn't care enough to vote.

Hopefully, now that this has happened, women will come out en masse to cancel these ultra religious right, white males - at all levels of government. The US need only look to places like the Middle East, Africa, South America, Asia to see what happens to human rights as these dictatorial a-holes continue to amass power.

There's gonna be war - of some type - and hate to say it, but maybe that's what needs to happen. (except we know who has all the guns…)

This is beyond disappointing for anyone left who truly believes in liberty and justice for all.



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get out there and vote against every Republican you can

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Thomas wrote in his concurring opinion that they should look at "same sex relationships and same sex marriage" too.

I mean those are not in the Constitution either.

This court.

Neither is Loving v. Virginia but I noticed he didn't mention that one. I wonder why (sarc/).

Yes, a convenient omission. But that is also not a priority of American Evangelicals.

What $tevie said, 100%.

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@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary...

And graylocks, thanks for the info about SOS/The States. Adding to my donation list, for sure.

What a long and steep road lies before us all.

By the end of 2023, a majority of Americans will live in a state where abortion is either completely illegal or so restricted that providers will not work there.

How we got here:
McConnell would not hold a vote on Garland

Trump won. Hillary lost.

Manchin and Collins did not block Kavanaugh. They could have.

RBG refused to retire and let Obama appoint her successor

"Another key player in laying the groundwork for Roe to fall was Mitch McConnell, who as top Senate Republican in 2016 stopped then-president Barack Obama from installing a justice of his choosing for a vacant seat on the supreme court. Trump ended up filling that opening with Neil Gorsuch, who voted to strike down Roe."

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There's gonna be war - of some type - and hate to say it, but maybe that's what needs to happen. (except we know who has all the guns…)

the idea that it is mostly right w'kers is a falsehood brought to you by Fox and others.
Don't believe it. Perhaps they have more womm.

Let's not think it might get to that before Americans step up.

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I voted for Hillary, even though she wasn't even my 3rd choice. She had a good platform.
And I despise Trump and the judges he picked.

All that said, it's important to remember that many of the Bernie-to-Trump voters weren't Democrats in the first place.

Th thing that puzzles me is that in many places on the Internet, I see people making this point, apparently without taking even a second to complain about the NY Times, or the FBI, or Hillary's horribly inadequate campaign skills. I'm not asking that she have run a perfect campaign; just a good enough one. She failed to listen to people on the ground, and she failed to campaign in the closing days of the campaign in important Rust Belt states.

Isn't there plenty of blame to go around?

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

BTW, donations here are supposed to be matched 5 or 10 to 1 today:

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I voted for Hillary, even though she wasn't even my 3rd choice. She had a good platform.
And I despise Trump and the judges he picked.

All that said, it's important to remember that many of the Bernie-to-Trump voters weren't Democrats in the first place.

Th thing that puzzles me is that in many places on the Internet, I see people making this point, apparently without taking even a second to complain about the NY Times, or the FBI, or Hillary's horribly inadequate campaign skills. I'm not asking that she have run a perfect campaign; just a good enough one. She failed to listen to people on the ground, and she failed to campaign in the closing days of the campaign in important Rust Belt states.

Isn't there plenty of blame to go around?

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

I have complained about all of that continuously. But in the end, it was the people who stood in the voting booth and HAVING THE MERRICK GARLAND STALEMATE RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSE still could not figure out the obvious.

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I see no sign that American voters will do anything except vote primarily on economic issues. Reproductive rights are not a priority for most voters.

Until this truly hurts a lot of men and a lot of Republicans, and that could take 5 or more years, I would not expect this issue to drive much voting, even as it does spur more specific activism.

We are an anti-woman country and always have been.

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It's going to be a legal civil war between the states as a crazy patchwork of laws go into effect.

Especially since Republicans in many states have decided to create laws that reach into other states. Like if someone from Illinois drives to Texas, picks up a woman to get an abortion in Illinois and then drives her back, I can see Texas making a law that the Illinois citizen broke a Texas law by doing that and apprehend them in Texas or even demand they get extradited back to Texas from Illinois. Or something similar anyway.

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It's going to be a legal civil war between the states as a crazy patchwork of laws go into effect.

Especially since Republicans in many states have decided to create laws that reach into other states. Like if someone from Illinois drives to Texas, picks up a woman to get an abortion in Illinois and then drives her back, I can see Texas making a law that the Illinois citizen broke a Texas law by doing that and apprehend them in Texas or even demand they get extradited back to Texas from Illinois. Or something similar anyway.

I think the feds are going to address that particular problem. That's one of the few things they can do with the current makeup of Congress.

Anyone notice a parallel? If you're not a Nazi, why are you using their playbook?


Under the German Reich founded in 1871, abortion was illegal. A woman obtaining an abortion faced up to five years in prison. So did the doctor who helped her — or ten years if he received payment for the act. Technically abortion was illegal even to save the woman's life in an emergency; but in practice this part of the law seems not to have been enforced.

This law didn't actually stop desperate women from having abortions; it just made it more difficult and dangerous for them. Starting in around 1900, a campaign to legalise abortion began. This campaign was led by feminists, liberals and socialists — in other words, exactly the kind of people the Nazis hated most.

In 1926, under the Weimar Republic, the law was liberalised. Abortion remained illegal, but it was reduced to a misdemeanour with lessened punishments. In 1927 the German Supreme Court ruled that abortion done to 'avoid danger to the woman's life' was legal. The medical associations interpreted this ruling liberally; their members were advised that as long as two doctors were willing to confirm in writing that a woman's health would be endangered by continuing with her pregnancy, then abortion should be permitted.

As a result of this partial decriminalisation, abortion clinics were set up in many major German cities, and even travelling services in rural areas. Left-wing parties such as the Socialists and Communists campaigned for full legalisation, but were opposed by the right wing and Roman Catholic parties.

Hitler took power in January 1933. A couple of months later, the Nazis closed down sex education and marriage counselling centres in Germany and confiscated books and pamphlets discussing contraception.
On 26 May 1933 it was made illegal, punishable by up to two years in prison, to provide any information to the public about abortion or advertise the availability of the procedure.

In September 1933 the Berlin Council of Physicians, under pressure from the Nazis, instructed doctors that abortion should only be permitted if approved first by a NSDAP-approved physician. Any doctor who failed to comply with this ruling was an 'evil-doer who dares to injure our sacred healthy race' and would face severe punishment.

Laws were also passed that doctors must report all miscarriages to the authorities, in order to catch people trying to pass off induced abortions as natural events. Abortion was not discussed in the medical literature. Trainee doctors were not taught how to perform the procedure in medical school.
Finally, the laws against abortion were enforced more strictly, with harsher sentences being imposed on those caught breaking them.

In 1935 the Gestapo set up its State Central Office to Fight Against Homosexuality and Abortion (Reichszentrale zur Bekämpfung der Homosexualität und der Abtreibung). Its primary task was spying on German citizens and compiling dossiers on their private lives, which could then be passed to the regular criminal police for action. While they mainly targeted gay men (gay women were deemed 'less dangerous to public life' and as such not a priority) they did find time to prosecute 91 doctors for carrying out illegal abortions during the years 1935-39. Most received prison sentences of about four years each.

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The dystopian future we've all been promised via fictional accounts is finally here …


I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free…

Can't hardly wait for all the USA! USA! USA! nonsense in another week.

Anyone who could be proud to be an American today isn't worthy of the ultimate price that so many have paid for said freedom.

It is all just an illusion.

They've only just begun.

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No surprise but yet a surprise the Supremes would overturn a previous decision for first time in history. 6-3

I've seen this mentioned several times, and I'm not sure what it's based on. Other sources seem to indicate it is incorrect.

List of overruled United States Supreme Court decisions
"This is a list of decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States that have been explicitly overruled, in part or in whole, by a subsequent decision of the Court."

This documentary is worth watching to get a more in-depth understanding of what-and-why.

Supreme Revenge: Battle for the Supreme Court | FRONTLINE

It's a tRump update to this earlier documentary:
[www.youtube.com]

I hope someone reminds those six supreme court justices what happened to Dr. George Tiller, Dr. David Gunn and Dr. Barnett Slepian as there are plenty of people out there who are familiar with the saying "don't get angry, get even". It would be a terrible shame if something were to happen to them, wouldn't it.

If only firearms were more difficult to obtain. Oh wait ....

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Fox News: Best comedy channel that isn't a comedy channel.

reading this terrifying article now:

We’re Not Going Back to the Time Before Roe. We’re Going Somewhere Worse

"We have entered an era not of unsafe abortion but of widespread state surveillance and criminalization—of pregnant women, certainly, but also of doctors and pharmacists and clinic staffers and volunteers and friends and family members..."

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Thank you for sharing that graylocks. Very much appreciate your activism.

I am on a tear to raise awareness among progressives as to how we've been played.

At least 25 years ago, when my son was a toddler, I remember seeing articles on how evangelicals around the country were organizing to run for seats on school boards. Their intent was clear and it was scary but I was planning on homeschooling my son so it wasn't going to affect me.

I've learned The States Project that school boards were just the tip of the iceberg and we are just now coming to grips with what the far right was plotting for a very long time.

I think Progressives are not as good at executing long term plans as the Right. It's not in our nature to move in lock step so easily and I don't want us to. But we need to start seeing the whole forest and not just the Presidency, the Senate, and the House trees. Justice Thomas makes it clear that there is an intent for the ruling today to not be limited to abortion despite what Alito claims.

If you want to fix our country, work with us in the States. Please read up on The States Project.

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Thank you for sharing that graylocks. Very much appreciate your activism.

I am on a tear to raise awareness among progressives as to how we've been played.

At least 25 years ago, when my son was a toddler, I remember seeing articles on how evangelicals around the country were organizing to run for seats on school boards. Their intent was clear and it was scary but I was planning on homeschooling my son so it wasn't going to affect me.

I've learned The States Project that school boards were just the tip of the iceberg and we are just now coming to grips with what the far right was plotting for a very long time.

I think Progressives are not as good at executing long term plans as the Right. It's not in our nature to move in lock step so easily and I don't want us to. But we need to start seeing the whole forest and not just the Presidency, the Senate, and the House trees. Justice Thomas makes it clear that there is an intent for the ruling today to not be limited to abortion despite what Alito claims.

If you want to fix our country, work with us in the States. Please read up on The States Project.

Yes I think Roe was taken for granted until very recently because we've never had a court take away a well- established right.

I want to see these billionaire activist women like Melinda Gates and McKinsey Scott pour money into women's rights in the US. The right is better at putting money behind social issues, and that is how the game is played.

Justice Thomas is more of a threat to our country than almost anybody I can think of. He is an evil person and his wife is a traitor.

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I want to see these billionaire activist women like Melinda Gates and McKinsey Scott pour money into women's rights in the US. The right is better at putting money behind social issues, and that is how the game is played.

Along those lines check out this 7 min clip from Wednesday (6/22) Rachel Maddow Show. The plan goes far beyond the damage they've done already.

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So glad you libs have something else to bitch about. One would think that abortion is dead (no pun intended), but if you favor it, lobby your state legislature to support it. The decision for/against is now in the people’s hands. I have no problem with that.

What are you afraid of?

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What are you afraid of?

Well definitely not afraid of the uninformed opinions that bubble up from the swamp.

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Justice Thomas is more of a threat to our country than almost anybody I can think of. He is an evil person and his wife is a traitor.

And you just know that bastard will live to be 100.

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How we got here:
McConnell would not hold a vote on Garland

Trump won. Hillary lost.

Manchin and Collins did not block Kavanaugh. They could have.

RBG refused to retire and let Obama appoint her successor

Sums it up quite succinctly.

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It is what it is.

If RGB stepped down the vote would have been 5-4. I'm open to the idea that she should have retired but not that it is a crucial part of this outcome.

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If RGB stepped down the vote would have been 5-4. I'm open to the idea that she should have retired but not that it is a crucial part of this outcome.

If the vote had been 4-4, I feel there is a good chance Roberts would have went the other way.

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What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

You forgot Miscegenation.
But if I was married to Ginny, I might vote to overturn Loving vs Virginia!

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@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

How about @#$%& HILLARY for deciding to @#$%& over half her party and expecting them to vote for her anyway? And also @#$%& HILLARY for not telling 3 of the greatest campaigners of modern times, Bill, Barack, and Bernie, to not go out on the road and campaign for her.

BTW, I did vote for her, even tho she was third choice on that ballot.

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“Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Eli Weisel

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." - Billy Graham 1981

"Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise" - Barry Goldwater



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