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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 24, 2022 04:41PM
Anyone with half a brain could see what a Trump/McConnell duo would do to this country, regardless of any of the supposed "facts" you are laying out here.



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 24, 2022 04:45PM
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Rolando
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Acer
What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

You forgot Miscegenation.
But I was married to Ginny, I might vote to overturn Loving vs Virginia!

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

How about @#$%& HILLARY for deciding to @#$%& over half her party and expecting them to vote for her anyway? And also @#$%& HILLARY for not telling 3 of the greatest campaigners of modern times, Bill, Barack, and Bernie, to not go out on the road and campaign for her.

BTW, I did vote for her, even tho she was third choice on that ballot.

Rolando suffering from temporary insanity. We'll get through it together my friend.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 24, 2022 05:09PM
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 24, 2022 05:12PM
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 24, 2022 05:21PM
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Steve G.
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.

But she’s sure they’ve learned their lesson now. smiley-talk034
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 24, 2022 05:57PM
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$tevie
Anyone with half a brain could see what a Trump/McConnell duo would do has done to this country, regardless of any of the supposed "facts" you are laying out here.

FTFY.



It is what it is.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 24, 2022 05:59PM
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Steve G.
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.

I see she felt the need to get this out there AGAIN.



It is what it is.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 24, 2022 06:11PM
Hopefully, now that this has happened, women will come out en masse to cancel these ultra religious right, white males - at all levels of government.


How about men?

They bear a share in this fight as well.






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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 24, 2022 06:23PM
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Steve G.
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.

But she’s sure they’ve learned their lesson now. smiley-talk034

Yep, they learned that they can be duplicitous @#$%& and she'll pretend to buy it because she is spineless.



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Rolando
Date: June 24, 2022 06:40PM
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vision63
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Rolando
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Acer
What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

You forgot Miscegenation.
But if I was married to Ginny, I might vote to overturn Loving vs Virginia!

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

How about @#$%& HILLARY for deciding to @#$%& over half her party and expecting them to vote for her anyway? And also @#$%& HILLARY for not telling 3 of the greatest campaigners of modern times, Bill, Barack, and Bernie, to not go out on the road and campaign for her.

BTW, I did vote for her, even tho she was third choice on that ballot.

Rolando suffering from temporary insanity. We'll get through it together my friend.

Yeah, I'm the one...



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 24, 2022 08:08PM
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Rolando
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vision63
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Rolando
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Acer
What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

You forgot Miscegenation.
But if I was married to Ginny, I might vote to overturn Loving vs Virginia!

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

How about @#$%& HILLARY for deciding to @#$%& over half her party and expecting them to vote for her anyway? And also @#$%& HILLARY for not telling 3 of the greatest campaigners of modern times, Bill, Barack, and Bernie, to not go out on the road and campaign for her.

BTW, I did vote for her, even tho she was third choice on that ballot.

Rolando suffering from temporary insanity. We'll get through it together my friend.

Yeah, I'm the one...

N'eah mind



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: June 24, 2022 09:21PM
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DeusxMac
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Steve G.
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.

But she’s sure they’ve learned their lesson now. smiley-talk034

Yep, they learned that they can be duplicitous @#$%& and she'll pretend to buy it because she is spineless.

I'm sorry, but it's so obvious that she's been playing the fence on this issue and others all along. She is a Republican in a mostly conservative (albeit fiercely independent) state. What else do people think she's going to do? She's PANDERING.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 24, 2022 09:47PM
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Ted King
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DeusxMac
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Steve G.
senate clown votes 'aye' in the Plot Against America

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Friday said conservative Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch misled her about their views on the importance of Supreme Court precedent during their confirmation proceedings in 2017 and 2018.

Collins, who voted to confirm then-President Trump’s first two conservative nominees to the court despite her support for abortion rights, has said she believed those justices would hold up important precedents such as Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. A court majority that included Kavanaugh and Gorsuch struck down that right on Friday.

“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said, explaining her votes for those nominees during the Trump administration.

But she’s sure they’ve learned their lesson now. smiley-talk034

Yep, they learned that they can be duplicitous @#$%& and she'll pretend to buy it because she is spineless.

I'm sorry, but it's so obvious that she's been playing the fence on this issue and others all along. She is a Republican in a mostly conservative (albeit fiercely independent) state. What else do people think she's going to do? She's PANDERING.

People are just frustrated and she's an easy mark. She wouldn't even matter if more people voted.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 24, 2022 11:22PM
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mrbigstuff
I'm sorry, but it's so obvious that she's been playing the fence on this issue and others all along. She is a Republican in a mostly conservative (albeit fiercely independent) state.

Its still annoying.



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 25, 2022 03:08AM
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Rolando
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vision63
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Rolando
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Acer
What's next?
Gay marriage? Affirmative action? Desegregation? Jim Crow laws?
I'm sure they are anxious for another go at the ACA. too.

You forgot Miscegenation.
But if I was married to Ginny, I might vote to overturn Loving vs Virginia!

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$tevie
@#$%& everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" or a "hawk" or "boring" or a "bitch" or a woman or Bill's wife or NOT BERNIE. @#$%& you all.

How about @#$%& HILLARY for deciding to @#$%& over half her party and expecting them to vote for her anyway? And also @#$%& HILLARY for not telling 3 of the greatest campaigners of modern times, Bill, Barack, and Bernie, to not go out on the road and campaign for her.

BTW, I did vote for her, even tho she was third choice on that ballot.

Rolando suffering from temporary insanity. We'll get through it together my friend.

Yeah, I'm the one...

Wasn't Rolando, it was me.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 25, 2022 09:59AM
A few important words worth noting:

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[In Roe,] the Court struck a balance, as it often does when values and goals compete. It held that the State could prohibit abortions after fetal viability, so long as the ban contained exceptions to safeguard a woman’s life or health. It held that even before viability, the State could regulate the abortion procedure in multiple and meaningful ways.

…Today, the Court discards that balance. It says that from the very moment of fertilization, a woman has no rights to speak of.…As of today, this Court holds, a State can always force a woman to give birth, prohibiting even the earliest abortions.

…To the majority “balance” is a dirty word, as moderation is a foreign concept. The majority would allow States to ban abortion from conception onward because it does not think forced childbirth at all implicates a woman’s rights to equality and freedom. Today’s Court, that is, does not think there is anything of constitutional significance attached to a woman’s control of her body and the path of her life.

…And eliminating that right… is not taking a “neutral” position, as JUSTICE KAVANAUGH tries to argue. His idea is that neutrality lies in giving the abortion issue to the States, where some can go one way and some another. But would he say that the Court is being “scrupulously neutral” if it allowed New York and California to ban all the guns they want?… What, then, of the right to contraception or same-sex marriage? Would it be “scrupulously neutral” for the Court to eliminate those rights too?

…[Justice Thomas says [in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.” And when we reconsider them? Then “we have a duty” to “overrul[e] these demonstrably erroneous decisions.

… Consider, as our last word on this issue, contraception. The Constitution, of course, does not mention that word. And there is no historical right to contraception, of the kind the majority insists on. To the contrary, the American legal landscape in the decades after the Civil War was littered with bans on the sale of contraceptive devices… If the majority is serious about its historical approach, then Griswold and its progeny are in the line of fire too.

Because laws in 1868 deprived women of any control over their bodies, the majority approves States doing so today. Because those laws prevented women from charting the course of their own lives, the majority says States can do the same again.

… The majority has overruled Roe and Casey for one and only one reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them. The majority thereby substitutes a rule by judges for the rule of law.

…The American public [previous Justices felt] should never conclude that its constitutional protections hung by a thread—that a new majority, adhering to a new “doctrinal school,” could “by dint of numbers” alone expunge their rights. It is hard—no, it is impossible—to conclude that anything else has happened here.

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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Janit
Date: June 25, 2022 10:12AM
Why don't they just go ahead and do what they really want to do: declare the whole 13th and 14th amendments unconstitutional as well.

I mean why not? The 13th and the 14th weren't in the original constitution, were they? I'm sure the so-called justices can find some sophistry that will justify cutting them.

Time to bring back slavery, with all it's historical justifications.

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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: June 25, 2022 12:34PM
btw Manchin is"disappointed".

seems he says he was lied to by Gorch and Beer-boy
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 25, 2022 01:51PM
Tell me again what Manchin is good for?
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 25, 2022 02:35PM
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pdq
Tell me again what Manchin is good for?

In this 117th Congress there have been 770 Senate votes. Manchin has voted on behalf of Democrats on 95% of them. If he was a Republican he would have voted for just maybe 8% of them. We're mad at him for literally a few votes.

It's either you want a Republican or you want him. There are no other choices.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 25, 2022 02:48PM
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Tell me again what Manchin is good for?

In this 117th Congress there have been 770 Senate votes. Manchin has voted on behalf of Democrats on 95% of them. If he was a Republican he would have voted for just maybe 8% of them. We're mad at him for literally a few votes.

It's either you want a Republican or you want him. There are no other choices.

How often has his vote counted in those?

When it does count, he goes on Fox and cries about how he tried, really tried to want to support basic Democratic priorities.

I'd take a Cheney or a Kinzinger over Manchin.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 25, 2022 03:31PM
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pdq
Tell me again what Manchin is good for?

In this 117th Congress there have been 770 Senate votes. Manchin has voted on behalf of Democrats on 95% of them. If he was a Republican he would have voted for just maybe 8% of them. We're mad at him for literally a few votes.

It's either you want a Republican or you want him. There are no other choices.

How often has his vote counted in those?

When it does count, he goes on Fox and cries about how he tried, really tried to want to support basic Democratic priorities.

I'd take a Cheney or a Kinzinger over Manchin.

Not if you examined their voting records. Manchin did vote "for" the Infrastructure bill. Sure, after he reduced it. He even negotiated on the BBB bill. No Republican would have. Not a single squad member voted "yea" on the infrastructure bill, but not a single word came out of our mouths about that (I did). They voted "with" Republicans. Our enemies aren't just Republicans.

He offered a minimum wage proposal that was rejected because it wasn't $15. So the Fed minimum wage stays stuck at $7.25 an hour.

If Manchin bothers people so much, why didn't they show up to vote when it mattered? There are just 48 Democratic Senators. If Warnock or Mark Kelly loses, what would people be complaining about then?

We need to stop complaining and dogging out Democrats and focus on our real enemies.



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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 25, 2022 03:40PM
I understand where you're coming from. I just think that having an opponent you can trust is almost better than an "ally" you can't.
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Re: Roe and Casey have been overturned.
Posted by: hal
Date: June 25, 2022 04:08PM
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pdq
I understand where you're coming from. I just think that having an opponent you can trust is almost better than an "ally" you can't.

Saying that you'd rather have a senate with a repub majority is kinda crazy - where is the win there?
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