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‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: btfc
Date: August 04, 2022 05:38PM
‘ They were building a battery — a vanadium redox flow battery — based on a design created by two dozen U.S. scientists at a government lab. The batteries were about the size of a refrigerator, held enough energy to power a house, and could be used for decades. The engineers pictured people plunking them down next to their air conditioners, attaching solar panels to them, and everyone living happily ever after off the grid.

"It was beyond promise," said Chris Howard, one of the engineers who worked there for a U.S. company called UniEnergy. "We were seeing it functioning as designed, as expected."

But that's not what happened. Instead of the batteries becoming the next great American success story, the warehouse is now shuttered and empty. All the employees who worked there were laid off. And more than 5,200 miles away, a Chinese company is hard at work making the batteries in Dalian, China. ‘


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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 04, 2022 06:14PM
Interesting technology. I will not live long enough to see it come to a store near me.



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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 04, 2022 06:40PM
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Speedy
Interesting technology. I will not live long enough to see it come to a store near me.

You might be surprised.



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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 04, 2022 06:46PM
You might be surprised.


Yes, he's probably thinking of progress if this were to be developed for consumers in the US.

In a race to market, China would almost certainly beat us.






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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: August 04, 2022 09:14PM
Is this process being licensed to the Chinese company but still belongs to the Americans? Is this just a way to get it manufactured more cheaply? Would it be affordable if built here?
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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: August 04, 2022 09:35PM
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Ca Bob
Is this process being licensed to the Chinese company but still belongs to the Americans? Is this just a way to get it manufactured more cheaply? Would it be affordable if built here?

TLDR:

The battery tech is not "cheap" upfront.

Still, if you pro-rate it across the 30-year+ lifespan of the battery it would be way cheaper than other battery-tech. Makes Tesla Walls look like flashlight batteries by comparison.

But nobody wanted to finance battery tech in the United States at the time when it first became available.

So, the exclusive licensee sold his rights to a Chinese company, and the government agency that was supposed to investigate prior to approving the transfer just rubber-stamped it.

After the NPR story broke, the license to the Chinese manufacturer was revoked.

Now the Chinese government has the tech and is exploiting it while we're years behind them.



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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: August 05, 2022 10:19AM
So Hillary sold all of our uranium to the russkies and now Biden sells all of our batteries to the Chinese?

How typical!
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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 05, 2022 11:34AM
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Lux Interior
So Hillary sold all of our uranium to the russkies and now Biden sells all of our batteries to the Chinese?

How typical!

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He said a fellow scientist connected him with a Chinese businessman named Yanhui Liu and a company called Dalian Rongke Power Co. Ltd., along with its parent company, and he jumped at the chance to have them invest and even help manufacture the batteries.

At first, UniEnergy Technologies did the bulk of the battery assembly in the warehouse. But over the course of the next few years, more and more of the manufacturing and assembling began to shift to Rongke Power, Chris Howard said. In 2017, Yang formalized the relationship and granted Dalian Rongke Power Co. Ltd. an official sublicense, allowing the company to make the batteries in China.

Any company can choose to manufacture in China. But in this case, the rules are pretty clear. Yang's original license requires him to sell a certain number of batteries in the U.S., and it says those batteries must be "substantially manufactured" here.

In an interview, Yang acknowledged that he did not do that. UniEnergy Technologies sold a few batteries in the U.S., but not enough to meet its requirements. The ones it did sell, including in one instance to the U.S. Navy, were made in China. But Yang said in all those years, neither the lab nor the department questioned him or raised any issues.

Then in 2019, Howard said, UniEnergy Technologies officials gathered all the engineers in a meeting room. He said supervisors told them they would have to work in China at Rongke Power Co. for four months at a time.

"It was unclear, certainly to myself and other engineers, what the plan was," said Howard, who now works for Forever Energy.

Yang acknowledges that he wanted his U.S. engineers to work in China. But he says it was because he thought Rongke Power could help teach them critical skills.

Explain to us how Biden is to blame for actions that occurred between 2017 and 2019.



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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: Ted King
Date: August 05, 2022 11:38AM
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N-OS X-tasy!

Explain to us how Biden is to blame for actions that occurred between 2017 and 2019.

Trump cult logic.

(I'm sure Lux Interior was being facetious - so I'm not saying he was using Trump cult logic.)



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2022 11:40AM by Ted King.
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Re: ‘ The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China ‘
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: August 05, 2022 04:22PM
It reminds me of the history of the transistor.
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