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Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 08, 2022 04:29PM
After all, Jersualem is merely Israel's capital for the past 74 years...why have an embassy there?

Organizing to fight them Joos.


[www.jpost.com]
Two of the UK's most senior Christian authorities have recently come out against the potential decision of Prime Minister Liz Truss to move the British Embassy to the State of Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

In a letter sent to the prime minister, one of the UK's leading Roman Catholic Church authorities, Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols has called on Truss to not move the British Embassy to the State of Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

"A relocation of the UK Embassy would be seriously damaging to any possibility of lasting peace in the region and to the international reputation of the United Kingdom."
-Cardinal Vincent Nichols


Cardinal Nichols, who serves as the president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales wrote a letter to Prime Minister Truss earlier this week, expressing his "profound concern" over her call for a review of the location of the British Embassy and the suggestion that she may consider moving it from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

In a statement shared both on his official website as well as on his Twitter account, the Cardinal stated that "such a relocation of the UK Embassy would be seriously damaging to any possibility of lasting peace in the region and to the international reputation of the United Kingdom."



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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 08, 2022 04:51PM
Trump offered the West Bank to Jordan's king

‘ Abdullah II told an American friend that when Trump made the offer, "I thought I was having a heart attack," according to the book, written by Peter Baker, chief White House correspondent for The New York Times, and Susan Glasser, staff writer for The New Yorker.

"I couldn't breathe. I was bent doubled-over," the Jordanian monarch added ‘

[news.yahoo.com]
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: October 08, 2022 05:10PM
A strange move by Liz Truss that makes no sense politically or diplomatically.

How would the Uk, or Israel, benefit from this?

The UK has a good relationship with Israel. From what I've read, the Israelis do not want this.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 08, 2022 06:20PM
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Lemon Drop
From what I've read, the Israelis do not want this.

Care to post a link to your reading?
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: October 08, 2022 06:25PM
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Lemon Drop
A strange move by Liz Truss that makes no sense politically or diplomatically.

How would the Uk, or Israel, benefit from this?

The leaders in the Conservative party think like privileged Trumpers.

This appeals to their religious base who want to rush the end of times, pisses off the nearly powerless Palestinian and Arab populations (so it's just plain FUN for them to do this), and if lots of people die as the result at least the dead are likely to be brown-people and Jews for whom they give precisely zero F's.







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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: October 08, 2022 07:12PM
My understanding is that when Trump annoumced he was moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, Israeli Jews were strongly supportive because they also believed Trump when he said he had a plan and would resolve the conflict with Palestinians. He had no plan and did nothing but reduce security for Israel and the US.

There needs to be an agreement reached before false celebratory moves such as moving embassies.

What is PM Truss' plan to resolve land disputes in Jerusalem?

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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 08, 2022 08:51PM
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.

"From what I've read, the Israelis do not want this."

I believe that you are kidding yourself and that misrepresents what Israelis want.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 08, 2022 09:23PM
Perhaps your demand for attribution might be taken seriously if you had posted any yourself. dunno smiley
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 08, 2022 09:47PM
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btfc
Perhaps your demand for attribution might be taken seriously if you had posted any yourself. dunno smiley

What are you talking about? It's not even a topic of discussion in Israel. It's the capital...that's where you put your embassy.



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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 08, 2022 10:13PM
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Rolando
Date: October 08, 2022 11:40PM
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Steve G.
What are you talking about? It's not even a topic of discussion in Israel. It's the capital...that's where you put your embassy.

Can't wait to see your reaction when Putin makes Sevastopol the Winter Capital!



San Antonio, TX (in the old city)


"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 10:15AM
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btfc
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.

How can you post a link to a discusion that doesn't exist?

Try it for yourself...read the Jerusalem Post or Times of Israel...nobody in Israel objects to a British embassy in Jerusalem.
Jerusalem has been Israel's capital since 1948.



(also: what other country is treated like this? "Well, we've decided that Scranton Pennsylvania is where we will put our embassies. ...Not Washington DC")
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 10:19AM
The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. The proposed law was adopted by the Senate (93–5) and the House (374–37).
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 09, 2022 10:23AM
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.


“Because I say so“ doesn’t suffice.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 10:28AM
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btfc
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.


“Because I say so“ doesn’t suffice.

You must be kidding. If Lemondrop posts that she's been 'reading about the terrible Bowling Green massacre', how can I find info that says that nobody says anything about this fantasy event?



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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 09, 2022 11:18AM
“ According to a poll conducted by Tel Aviv University and the Israel Democracy Institute, 63 percent of Israelis believe that the impending move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will benefit Israel. “


So obviously there WAS a discussion.


Your conceit that you know more about what Israelis think than the Israelis themselves is obvious and utter B.S.


As usual.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 11:24AM
(May 2, 2018 / JNS) According to a poll conducted by Tel Aviv University and the Israel Democracy Institute, 63 percent of Israelis believe that the impending move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will benefit Israel.
[www.jns.org]
(May 2, 2018
what is the matter with you?



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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 09, 2022 11:29AM
You still haven't post the link to your reading about this.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: October 09, 2022 12:31PM
I suspect that the original concern about placing embassies in Jerusalem was back in the days when Arab oil was the ruling currency and we were all terrified about irritating them. Things are a bit different, even with the current OPEC hassles.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 12:32PM
Nice try at a diversion from the UK's top Christians disparaging the legitimacy of Israel.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Acer
Date: October 09, 2022 02:14PM
An embassy primarily serves the interests of the nation the embassy represents, not the nation hosting the embassy.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 04:14PM
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Acer
An embassy primarily serves the interests of the nation the embassy represents, not the nation hosting the embassy.

Then why are these two religionists trying to interfere with their government's decision?
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 09, 2022 04:24PM
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Steve G.
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Acer
An embassy primarily serves the interests of the nation the embassy represents, not the nation hosting the embassy.

Then why are these two religionists trying to interfere with their government's decision?

AIPAC might have an answer for that question or would that be more like governments interfering with governments.
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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 04:37PM
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RgrF

AIPAC might have an answer for that question or would that be more like governments interfering with governments.

Wow, haven't heard the "Jews controlling the U.S. Government" smear in a while (at least here)

yeah, that's what you said
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RgrF
would that be more like governments interfering with governments.



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Re: Who's your pal? "Archbishop of Westminster Cardent Vincent Nichols (Roman Catholic) and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wellby (Church of England) have come out against relocating the British Embassy to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 09, 2022 06:36PM
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Steve G.
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Lemon Drop
From what I've read, the Israelis do not want this.

Care to post a link to your reading?

It has now been more than 24 hours since Lemon Drop posted this phony claim and failed to back it up in any manner.

How long does it take before this can be labeled a lie?
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