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Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 16, 2023 10:55PM |
[www.cnn.com]
Some vaccine advisers to the federal government say they’re “disappointed” and “angry” that government scientists and the pharmaceutical company Moderna didn’t present a set of infection data on the company’s new Covid-19 booster during meetings last year when the advisers discussed whether the shot should be authorized and made available to the public.
That data suggested the possibility that the updated booster might not be any more effective at preventing Covid-19 infections than the original shots...
[www.nejm.org]
Boosting with new bivalent mRNA vaccines targeting both the BA.4–BA.5 variant and the D614G strain did not elicit a discernibly superior virus-neutralizing peak antibody response as compared with boosting with the original monovalent vaccines.
Some vaccine advisers to the federal government say they’re “disappointed” and “angry” that government scientists and the pharmaceutical company Moderna didn’t present a set of infection data on the company’s new Covid-19 booster during meetings last year when the advisers discussed whether the shot should be authorized and made available to the public.
That data suggested the possibility that the updated booster might not be any more effective at preventing Covid-19 infections than the original shots...
[www.nejm.org]
Boosting with new bivalent mRNA vaccines targeting both the BA.4–BA.5 variant and the D614G strain did not elicit a discernibly superior virus-neutralizing peak antibody response as compared with boosting with the original monovalent vaccines.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 17, 2023 10:12AM |
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Mr645
All about the $$$$$$$$$
Please never take another vaccine in your remaining life. Let us know how that works out for you.
Typical liberal, resorts to violence, wishing harm to others.
But honestly, I took a COVID vaccine, after Trumps Operation Warpspeed allowed a safe, effective vaccine to come to market in record time, saving countless lives. But clearly with more deaths, ineffective vaccines, Biden has failed Americans, his lack of leadership allowing useless vaccines to come to market because of corrupt lobbying by the healthcare industry.
I've been through two bouts of COVID, 1st sometime prior to October 202, I tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies, months before any vaccines were out, I never knew when I was exposed. And in March of 2022, had the sniffles for 3 days, used Dayquil as a high effective treatment. I am pretty sure it was COVID, my Chinese test kits said it was but who knows.
Where do you see violence in my post? I even used the word "please",
And you don't see violence in Trump's speect on Jan 6, 2021?
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 17, 2023 02:40PM |
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The booster didn't make things worse, but does at least help maintain baseline resistance. Not great, but good enough to tide us over while the research continues. I'll count it as win.
In England they concluded that the Bivalent vaccine made COVID XBB worse, because those naturally infected by Omicron did much better fighting off XBB. Read from John Campbell on Youtube
Ah, you're pointing us toward your universe of alternative facts.
>He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 17, 2023 04:24PM |
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The same exact vaccines that were "perfect" and "beautiful" under Trump are now horrible under Biden. Again, the same exact vaccines.
At this point I'm out of words for this sort of thing. Its more than I can address in a couple of sentences.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 17, 2023 05:56PM |
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The first vaccines were tested, they worked, this latest version bypassed testing and does not work.
No.
That's completely wrong. It's illogical. You're injecting a spurious supposition for a conclusion that is not derivable from any facts at hand.
Moderna failed to produce some of their results when the FDA asked for supporting data. That doesn't imply in any way that testing was "bypassed." The FDA's process did not rely on that missing data.
The bivalent vaccine appears to be roughly on-par with the original vaccine for preventing and moderating infection/symptoms. It works fine. It just doesn't work better.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2023 06:00PM by Tiangou.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 05:56AM |
Another few items of note:
The FDA Vaccines Advisory Committee meets again on Jan 26th to come up with recommendations for the next booster. There's some talk that they may be leaning towards a trivalent booster.
Only about 15% of the country got the bivalent booster.
The price of the Moderna vaccine is going up to $130 per dose and Congress has not authorized new funding for it.
In the United States, more than 550 people are dying every day of COVID in the current surge.
The FDA Vaccines Advisory Committee meets again on Jan 26th to come up with recommendations for the next booster. There's some talk that they may be leaning towards a trivalent booster.
Only about 15% of the country got the bivalent booster.
The price of the Moderna vaccine is going up to $130 per dose and Congress has not authorized new funding for it.
In the United States, more than 550 people are dying every day of COVID in the current surge.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 09:50AM |
I got the latest Pfizer booster last week.
Grateful11
Grateful11
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 11:38AM |
please don't refer any YouTube 'experts' as reliable information regarding vaccines.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 12:07PM |
At this point if you even die from a car crash you can assume there's an antivaxxer counting you as a vaccine related death. Hopefully they'll soon grow bored and find new hobbies.
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 03:14PM |
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AllGold
The same exact vaccines that were "perfect" and "beautiful" under Trump are now horrible under Biden. Again, the same exact vaccines.
At this point I'm out of words for this sort of thing. Its more than I can address in a couple of sentences.
Excellent exercise in doublethink. It's OK (even "great!") if one person does something, it's terrible if someone else does the exact same thing. Or if one person does something truly egregious, it's perfectly OK, but if another person does something a little similar, but nowhere near as egregious, that person has to be tarred and feathered. I think we're all now observing this doublethink at work in other contexts, particularly ones involving classified documents.
Freya says, 'Hello from NOLA, baby!' (Laissez bon temps rouler!)
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Re: Bivalent booster may not have been all that... Date: January 18, 2023 09:26PM |
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At this point if you even die from a car crash you can assume there's an antivaxxer counting you as a vaccine related death. Hopefully they'll soon grow bored and find new hobbies.
The one that gets me is the Covid deniers that if their relative dies with Covid, not from Covid, they get us taxpayers to pay for the funeral. I know of one such case, they died of old age but because they tested positive 3 days before they died we paid for the funeral. I know and they know this person didn't die from Covid.
Grateful11
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