If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

...because your popgun can reach 66,000 feet

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Mr645
If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

What resident of Montana tried to shoot it down but was unsuccessful due to restrictions on the 2A? What weapon were they using and what did they want to use instead? Remember that it was at an altitude of about 12 miles and airspace used by commercial airliners is below that.

The FAA has dominion over rockets launched to that altitude.

However, Florida Man with a beach chair tied to helium balloons armed with an AR might have been able to do it. Admittedly he would need to steal Oxygen from grandpas in The Villages, and wear a lot of snowmobile suits…

...accurately

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Mr645
If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

Given that Montana has about a quarter of the US nuclear arsenal what you are insinuating sounds truly terrifying.

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If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

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Mr645
If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

Like Elmer Fudd hunting Bugs Bunny.

Where is the missile launcher that TSA found a few weeks ago?

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Mr645
If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

* 100

Fixed that for you

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The FAA has dominion over rockets launched to that altitude.

However, Florida Man with a beach chair tied to helium balloons armed with an AR might have been able to do it. Admittedly he would need to steal Oxygen from grandpas in The Villages, and wear a lot of snowmobile suits…

That high he would also require a full or partial pressure suit to go along with the oxygen.

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But what if the bullet is fired up, rather than directly at a target? If you performed that experiment on the Moon, if the bullet went up at 1,500 miles per hour, then no matter what angle you fired it at and how long it took to come back to the lunar surface, it would come down at 1,500 miles per hour. A bullet fired away from the Moon's surface would be just as lethal as one fired across it. But on Earth, we have our atmosphere, which means we also have air resistance. A bullet fired straight up, with no wind, might reach a height of 10,000 feet (about three kilometers), but will come back down at only around 150 miles per hour: just 10% of the speed and with only 1% of the energy as the originally fired bullet.

Physics shmizicks. Buncha pointy headed nerds. Let's go out and shoot our guns straight up at the balloon. I'm mean, it's not like a metal slug traveling at 150mph would be a problem if it hit someone when it inevitably came down.

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Tell me you don't understand gravity without telling me you don't understand gravity.

Gravity (like evolution) is just a THEORY!

If god says I can shoot it down, them Ima shootin' it down!

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The FAA has dominion over rockets launched to that altitude.

However, Florida Man with a beach chair tied to helium balloons armed with an AR might have been able to do it. Admittedly he would need to steal Oxygen from grandpas in The Villages, and wear a lot of snowmobile suits…

That high he would also require a full or partial pressure suit to go along with the oxygen.

-67º F at that altitude.

Yeah, will need to breathe pressurized pure O2 to keep the lines from freezing and avoid hypoxia.

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I read this in the Forbes article I cited earlier...

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And finally, as a bystander, know that you aren't completely safe from a hail of falling bullets until two minutes have passed since the final gunshot.

...and it reminded me of something stupid my younger brother and I did when we were about 8-9 years old. We had a big stump in the front yard of our farm (which was at least a half mile from the next farm) and one day when we found a short straight piece of copper pipe (I might have remembered how to do this from somewhere else) and a marble that fit just right and then got some firecrackers. We jammed the copper pipe into the stump as vertical as we could get it by eyeball, lit a firecracker, threw it down the pipe and dropped the marble in. Then we stood aside and waited. Bang! Off it went. Wow. Cool.Thinking we would be able to track it, we weren't worried where it could come down because we could just get out of the way. We kept looking without seeing it. Finally it dawned on us that it might hit us and we were probably a good 50 feet from the porch roof that we could run to. So with that sudden realization we ran. We got about half way there when we heard a "whoop/thud". The marble landed about 15 feet from us. It buried itself completely in the moist loam so I'm sure it would have hurt a lot if it had hit one of us.

Impulse control is not one of my strong suits.

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I really hope for 645's sake that he was just roll-posting. Because every child knows that you can't hit a target 10 miles high.

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But what if the bullet is fired up, rather than directly at a target? If you performed that experiment on the Moon, if the bullet went up at 1,500 miles per hour, then no matter what angle you fired it at and how long it took to come back to the lunar surface, it would come down at 1,500 miles per hour. A bullet fired away from the Moon's surface would be just as lethal as one fired across it. But on Earth, we have our atmosphere, which means we also have air resistance. A bullet fired straight up, with no wind, might reach a height of 10,000 feet (about three kilometers), but will come back down at only around 150 miles per hour: just 10% of the speed and with only 1% of the energy as the originally fired bullet.

Terminal velocity
The maximum velocity (speed) attainable by an object as it falls through a fluid (air is the most common example). It occurs when the sum of the drag force (Fd) and the buoyancy is equal to the downward force of gravity (FG) acting on the object. Since the net force on the object is zero, the object has zero acceleration.

Yes, I'm very critical of the 2A. Its time it was repealed.

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I really hope for 645's sake that he was just roll-posting. Because every child knows that you can't hit a target 10 miles high.

You can if you use a ICBM.

The 2nd Amendment covers that, right?

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I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

Of course you can't hit a target at 10 miles up with a rifle.

We need unrestricted 2A, some sort of missile, an F22 perhaps. Or launch a small ICBM?

We need more crackpots with missiles?

Gotcha.

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"There is a comprehensive chapter on natural, non-lethal, and lethal weapons, running the gamut from cattle prods to sub-machine guns to bows and arrows."

He would to have to expand that chapter a whole lot to include ICBMs and stealth bombers.

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Of course you can't hit a target at 10 miles up with a rifle.

We need unrestricted 2A, some sort of missile, an F22 perhaps. Or launch a small ICBM?

I think he's suggesting we shoot at it with Clorox, or perhaps sunlight? After all, that worked so well for that other thing.

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I really hope for 645's sake that he was just roll-posting. Because every child knows that you can't hit a target 10 miles high.

First thing that came to mind:

“Eight miles high, and when you touch down
You'll find that it's stranger than known
Signs in the street, that say where you're going
Are somewhere just being their own
Nowhere is there warmth to be found
Among those afraid of losing their ground
Rain gray town, known for its sound
In places, small faces unbound
Round the squares, huddled in storms
Some laughing, some just shapeless forms
Sidewalk scenes, and black limousines
Some living, some standing alone”

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If the USA truly had unrestricted 2A, that balloon would have never made it out of Montana.

That's all you got? Seriously?

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Of course you can't hit a target at 10 miles up with a rifle.

Maybe you can't.

I, however, got my marksman's certificate at scout camp.

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Mr645
Of course you can't hit a target at 10 miles up with a rifle.

Maybe you can't.

I, however, got my marksman's certificate at scout camp.

With a target 200 feet across, yea, just need the right weapon. No AR-15 will do it. Those are only good for shooting people

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With a target 200 feet across

No way, brah.

They called me "Mr. 100 10x" on the HS rifle team.

I woulda nailed that sucker blindfolded.

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Of course you can't hit a target at 10 miles up with a rifle.

Maybe you can't.

I, however, got my marksman's certificate at scout camp.

I think it would be great if every gun user had to first pass the requirements it would take to get a Boy Scout Marksmanship Merit Badge. I think it would cut down on the number of deaths and injuries by guns by a LOT.

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