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45 day budget agreement
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 30, 2023 02:51PM
...sans money for Ukraine. Putin leaning GQP wins again.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 30, 2023 02:55PM
For real.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 30, 2023 03:00PM
[www.nytimes.com]

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Here’s another taste of how hard-liners are responding to this vote: “Every single Democrat in the House, except for one, voted for Kevin McCarthy’s ploy to continue Nancy Pelosi’s budget and Joe Biden’s policies,” said Representative Matt Rosendale of Montana. “Are we sure Hakeem Jeffries is not the speaker?”


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: gabester
Date: September 30, 2023 03:14PM
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Representative Matt Rosendale of Montana.
Are we sure Hakeem Jeffries is not the speaker?

But 4 the votes of 5 Republicans, he could be!


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 30, 2023 05:11PM
The GOPers who wanted to cut food stamps made sure the Congressional pay raise was included in the new bill.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 30, 2023 06:33PM
The chamber cleared the stopgap bill in an overwhelmingly bipartisan 335-91 vote hours after Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) rolled out the proposal. One Democrat and 90 Republicans voted against the measure.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 30, 2023 06:34PM
spineless swine

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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 30, 2023 09:25PM
Nine Republican senators voted against the stopgap funding bill, which passed 88-9:

Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.)
Mike Braun (Ind.)
Ted Cruz (Texas)
Bill Hagerty (Tenn.)
Mike Lee (Utah)
Roger Marshall (Kansas)
Rand Paul (Ky.)
Eric Schmitt (Mo.)
J.D. Vance (Ohio)
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 30, 2023 09:34PM
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Steve G.
Nine Republican senators voted against the stopgap funding bill, which passed 88-9:

Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.)
Mike Braun (Ind.)
Ted Cruz (Texas)
Bill Hagerty (Tenn.)
Mike Lee (Utah)
Roger Marshall (Kansas)
Rand Paul (Ky.)
Eric Schmitt (Mo.)
J.D. Vance (Ohio)

The usual suspects.


Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: jonny
Date: October 01, 2023 12:57AM
So, time to make good on their promise and vote out McCarthy, correct?
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: October 01, 2023 01:41AM
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jonny
So, time to make good on their promise and vote out McCarthy, correct?

He's the weakest speaker in history.

They have leverage against him and can push him around.

If they get rid of him, they lose that.

So, they'll kep threatening and won't do squat.


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 01, 2023 06:01AM
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Tiangou
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jonny
So, time to make good on their promise and vote out McCarthy, correct?

He's the weakest speaker in history.

They have leverage against him and can push him around.

If they get rid of him, they lose that.

So, they'll kep threatening and won't do squat.

Fun fact - the Speaker doesn't even HAVE to be from the House.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 01, 2023 07:48AM
Credit when credit is due; McCarthy did the right thing, although only at the very last minute, when all other options had failed.

I tend to look at this as the far right’s demands and threats were called; now these clowns have to show they have the cards to follow through.

I don’t think they do. Certainly, McCarthy doesn’t have enough Republican votes to win on his own. As suggested by others here, the Dems might withhold their votes until they see how many of their yes votes are needed, and then McCarthy gets re-elected to the Speakership.

This has multiple benefits, including indebting McCarthy, while neutering the worst of the nutjob caucus, and showing the country that they are the adults in the room. A little step away from extremism.

Personally, the best part of this scenario for me would be that the nutjobs would go absolutely nuts.

Wait. They’re already nuts. But they would go even more berserk and rage at their impotence.

popcorn smiley
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Ted King
Date: October 01, 2023 07:55AM
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Tiangou
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jonny
So, time to make good on their promise and vote out McCarthy, correct?

He's the weakest speaker in history.

They have leverage against him and can push him around.

If they get rid of him, they lose that.

So, they'll kep threatening and won't do squat.

That's my guess, too.


e pluribus unum
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 01, 2023 08:26AM
Some nutjob raging:

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Tweet from Rep. Andy Biggs AZ

Instead of siding with his own party today, Kevin McCarthy sided with 209 Democrats to push through a continuing resolution that maintains the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer spending levels and policies.

He allowed the DC Uniparty to win again.

Should he remain Speaker of the House?

Gaetz promises to call a vote to vacate next week.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: October 01, 2023 09:36AM
Biggs has it backwards. He and his fellow 18 House members in the crazy clown car represent only 2% of the population.

They are holding US hostage. They are holding the country back.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 01, 2023 09:53AM
Said (the misnamed) Bob Good (R-VA), this past week:

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“We should not fear a government shutdown,” Rep. Bob Good (R-VA) said at a press conference earlier this week. “Most of what we do up here is bad anyway, most of what we do up here hurts the American people…

When you elect people that believe government is bad, you get bad government.

When you elect people that come in convinced that government is dysfunctional, don’t be surprised to get dysfunctional government.
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: jonny
Date: October 01, 2023 09:59AM
[abcnews.go.com]
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: hal
Date: October 01, 2023 10:28AM
stolen from twitter:

Funding the government is the most basic responsibility for these guys, and they now have us celebrating "wins" when they fulfill it.

Tonight, when I press "send" on my mortgage payment, I'm turning to my family and yelling "ANOTHER POLITICAL VICTORY OVER HERE."
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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Rolando
Date: October 01, 2023 10:45AM
Victory of Putin!
Why did any single D vote for it?


San Antonio, TX (in the old city)


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Ted King
Date: October 01, 2023 11:34AM
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pdq
Some nutjob raging:

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Tweet from Rep. Andy Biggs AZ

Instead of siding with his own party today, Kevin McCarthy sided with 209 Democrats to push through a continuing resolution that maintains the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer spending levels and policies.

He allowed the DC Uniparty to win again.

Should he remain Speaker of the House?

Gaetz promises to call a vote to vacate next week.

When I agreed above that they would probably end up not doing squat to McCarthy I almost added a little qualifier that maybe Gaetz would give it a go. But I decided even he would see that in the end the Republicans have no choice but to go with McCarthy. I guess Gaetz wants the notoriety more than the otherwise uselessness of what he is trying to pull (if he actually calls to get rid of McCarthy as Speaker). He's got to get four other Reps to vote with him to toss McCarthy and I think that the rest of the MAGA-married Reps aren't as personally motivated as Gaetz. Even if they do get McCarthy kicked out, the chances are slim they'll find anyone else (who would want the job then other than McCarthy) and then they would most likely end up "allowing" him to become Speaker again.


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: Ted King
Date: October 01, 2023 11:55AM
The New York Times has this to say about what the Democrats could do and why they might not do so even if they were able:

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Though most House Republicans still support keeping Mr. McCarthy on as speaker, Mr. Gaetz’s plans pose an existential threat to his tenure because of the slim majority the G.O.P. holds in the chamber. If Democrats were to vote against Mr. McCarthy — as is almost always the case when a speaker of the opposing party is being elected — Mr. Gaetz would need only a handful of Republicans to join the opposition to remove him from the post, which requires a simple majority vote.

To avoid that fate, at least some Democrats would have to either vote to keep Mr. McCarthy in office, or simply skip the vote or vote “present” — neither for nor against. That would lower the threshold for a majority and make it easier to defeat Mr. Gaetz’s motion.

It is not clear whether Democrats would help Mr. McCarthy, however, particularly because he recently announced that he was opening an impeachment inquiry into President Biden despite lacking any evidence of wrongdoing. Most Democrats regard Mr. McCarthy as an untrustworthy figure who has spent months catering to the whims of his right wing, turning to Democrats only when his back is up against the wall, as he did in the spring to avoid a federal debt default and again on Saturday, during the waning hours of the fiscal year, to keep the government open.


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Re: 45 day budget agreement
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 01, 2023 12:37PM
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Rolando
Victory of Putin!
Why did any single D vote for it?

It was a victory for the Putin faction of the GQP. The Dem who voted against did so because there was no Ukraine money, his district apparently has a sizable Ukraine population.
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