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Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 02, 2023 01:16PM
Trump's attornies forgot to request a jury trial, so the judge has said it will be a bench trial. So the same judge that Trump has been insulting as late as this morning will be deciding his case.

Former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman called it "mind-blowing."

"For Trump to have his fate in the hands of this judge, whom he has vilified, is malpractice by his lawyers and very ominous for him," Litman wrote on X, formerly Twitter. "It's incredibly easy to ask for a jury trial. You just check a box on a form. Hard to believe that Trump understood that his lawyers hadn't done it when he's been savaging the judge who is now the factfinder in his huge fraud trial," he added. "I honestly can't believe that any lawyer hired on such an important case could make this mistake," wrote defense attorney Andrew Fleischman. "But I also can't think of any strategic reason you'd want a bench trial in front of a judge who just sanctioned your lawyers for making frivolous arguments."

[www.yahoo.com]

A pre-law student would not make an error that stupid.



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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 02, 2023 01:20PM
Trump tells his lawyers what to do or not do. He doesn't want to hear any advice because he knows everything. They probably tried to tell him. It could may be a passive/agressive move. Tired of waiting for him to scrape the gold off of a toilet to pay the retainer.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: davester
Date: October 02, 2023 01:24PM
I'm not so sure that this was a mistake or oversight. Since the trial is in New York, which has a high proportion of not-insane people compared to where Trump's base is from, he would almost certainly be found guilty by a jury and punished to the tune of a very large sum. With a bench trial, his punishment might be lower. Also, he can make a lot of hay on the campaign trail by saying that he was railroaded by a single "democrat judge" whereas that would be much more difficult with a 12-person unanimous jury verdict. This is a strategy move IMHO.



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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 02, 2023 01:45PM
P45* will say he was a victim of a vindictive judge who had no cause what so ever to convict the most innocent man in the world, and cult members won't care that he went after the judge.

It may be a strategy move, but I seriously doubt it was P45*'s idea.

Democrats will need to get out and vote.






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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: btfc
Date: October 02, 2023 02:12PM
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: gadje
Date: October 02, 2023 02:38PM
I’m surprised he didn’t fire Alina yet.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 02, 2023 02:59PM
I’m surprised he isn’t a little closer to the cute attorney than the one on the other side.

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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: jonny
Date: October 02, 2023 03:22PM
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Speedy
I’m surprised he isn’t a little closer to the cute attorney than the one on the other side.

I think he might've been just a teensy bit annoyed with her at that moment.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: RgrF
Date: October 02, 2023 03:28PM
Could also be because finding but one crooked juror for a civil trial isn't enough.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: hal
Date: October 02, 2023 03:42PM
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RgrF
Could also be because finding but one crooked juror for a civil trial isn't enough.

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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: hal
Date: October 02, 2023 04:00PM
[twitter.com]

she runs her finger across her nose and then pushes the snotty finger through her hair at 11 seconds in...
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: hal
Date: October 02, 2023 04:01PM
Trump is saying that he isn't allowed a jury trial - I suppose it's part of his insistence that it's all political.

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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: October 02, 2023 04:41PM
There is some speculation that Trump chose a non-jury trial on purpose, because it allows him to rile up the base about the "political judge". Harder to do that with a jury.

I don't buy it, but it's out there.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: Ted King
Date: October 02, 2023 05:46PM
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anonymouse1
There is some speculation that Trump chose a non-jury trial on purpose, because it allows him to rile up the base about the "political judge". Harder to do that with a jury.

I don't buy it, but it's out there.

I don't know... sounds plausible to me. Hard to tell, though, without inside information.



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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 02, 2023 06:11PM
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Ted King


I don't know... sounds plausible to me. Hard to tell, though, without inside information.

I've heard the 'Trumpo playing 8 dimensional chess' blather more than I care to mention.

Maybe the fact that he's left a decades-long trail of evidence of fraud will dissuade any belief in Q-endorsed abilities.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 02, 2023 06:35PM
Letiticia James has broken this man. He's just floundering around trying to reach a life raft. Everything he's worked to cobble together is getting flushed down his gold toilet. The end of his empire months away. Even if he wins he loses. He cannot come back from this.

Democrats are fighting Republicans. The winner will be the party that brings the most hired guns to the polls.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: gabester
Date: October 02, 2023 08:06PM
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vision63
Letiticia James has broken this man. He's just floundering around trying to reach a life raft. Everything he's worked to cobble together is getting flushed down his gold toilet. The end of his empire months away. Even if he wins he loses. He cannot come back from this.

I do so very much hope you are correct!
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vision63
Democrats are fighting Republicans. The winner will be the party that brings the most hired guns to the polls.

Please, please, PLEASE find a different turn of phrase... there are those who might interpret this literally to ensure permanent voter suppression.



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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 02, 2023 10:39PM
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gabester
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vision63
Letiticia James has broken this man. He's just floundering around trying to reach a life raft. Everything he's worked to cobble together is getting flushed down his gold toilet. The end of his empire months away. Even if he wins he loses. He cannot come back from this.

I do so very much hope you are correct!
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vision63
Democrats are fighting Republicans. The winner will be the party that brings the most hired guns to the polls.

Please, please, PLEASE find a different turn of phrase... there are those who might interpret this literally to ensure permanent voter suppression.

The winner will be the party that brings the most Poles to the polls.

I went to get his picture and I'm happy to say that he's still alive!

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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 03, 2023 02:07AM
I do so very much hope you are correct!


I second that emotion!






I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 03, 2023 02:14AM
That's a hilarious pic of P45*.

He looks like he hates actually being in court, like some commoner-loser.

A much better pic would/will be him in an orange jumpsuit.

If only.






I am that Masked Man.

All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 03, 2023 07:36AM
I don’t think his attorneys screwed up by not checking a box. It was a decision by Trump.

Not a real bright one, but not as bad as denigrating the judge repeatedly after you’ve opted for a bench trial.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: gadje
Date: October 03, 2023 08:25AM
I wonder if it is easier to appeal a bench trial than a jury trial.
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Re: Major Screwup by Trump's legal team
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 03, 2023 10:07AM
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gadje
I wonder if it is easier to appeal a bench trial than a jury trial.

It goes without saying that they will appeal to set aside the verdict if found guilty, that is standard for any civil trial. However, it is actually a bit harder to appeal a bench trial because anything having to do with the jury is no longer in play. He also cannot make an appeal for poor representation in a civil trial. So unless the judge makes prejudicial statements or improper rulings, then the only thing to really appeal is the sentence (lower the fine, etc.).

He can say whatever he wants and the base will believe it, so that doesn't matter. It is getting the truth across to the undecided voters that is important, they are less apt to be persuaded by his rantings.



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