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No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 05:53AM
No AR-15s used, no mass shootings, just regular shootings. Only 2 children shot

Saturday 11/4
1:10a 3100 W 39th, BrighTENT Park, M/19
1:10a 3100 W 39th, BrighTENT Park, M/29
1:10a 3100 W 39th, BrighTENT Park, M/29
1:15a 3900 S Rockwell, BrighTENT Park, M/25
4:10a 2100 N Kedvale, Hermosa, M/22
7:20a 1500 S Kenneth, North Lawndale, M/39
7:30a 2400 N Cicero, Belmont Cragin, M/28
7:55a 2800 W Washington, Garfield Park, M/47
9:00a 6400 S May, Englewood, M/45
12:35p Dan Ryan @ 70th, Grand Crossing, ?/?
1:35p 3900 N Christiana, Irving Park, M/39
2:55p 1000 N Drake, Humboldt Park, M/20
2:55p 1000 N Drake, Humboldt Park, M/22
3:00p 5000 N Lockwood, Jefferson Park, M/24
3:35p 10500 S Eggleston, Roseland, M/45
4:35p 4900 S Honore, New City, M/32
7:55p 1200 W 69th, Englewood, M/22
8:35p 11600 S Vincennes, Morgan Park, F/35
11:00p 5200 S Maplewood, Gage Park, M/22
11:15p 11100 S King, Roseland, M/19
11:15p 11100 S King, Roseland, M/?
11:15p 5100 S Christiana, Gage Park, M/16
11:15p 5100 S Christiana, Gage Park, M/24
11:15p 5100 S Christiana, Gage Park, F/20
Sunday 11/5
1:00a 5600 S Wabash, Washington Park, M/29
1:05a 1200 W 48th, New City, M/27
1:10a 7400 S Stewart, Grand Crossing, M/?
1:10a 7400 S Stewart, Grand Crossing, M/50
1:15a 300 E 59th, Washington Park, M/30
1:25a 2300 S Drake, Little Village, F/31
8:25a 1400 S Kostner, North Lawndale, F/42
3:55p 2000 W 68th, Englewood, F/11
9:05p 2200 S Oakley, Lower West Side, M/36
9:45p 5100 S Wood, New City, M/39
9:45p 5100 S Wood, New City, M/46



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 07, 2023 07:30AM
And only 40 in Georgia and Florida.

Guess that stuff about An armed society is a polite society hasn’t kicked in down there yet, huh?
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: decay
Date: November 07, 2023 07:41AM
[www.forbes.com]

A new study published in Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery found that firearm deaths are more likely in small rural towns than in major urban cities, adding to research that contradicts common belief that Democratic blue areas have higher incidences of gun-related deaths than do Republican red districts.



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 07, 2023 07:47AM
Your continued arguments for more comprehensive gun control are appreciated. I agree that all guns should be more tightly controlled and not easily purchased or used.

I assume you’re recommending rules similar to the UK or Canada ? Good ideas !
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 08:10AM
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pdq
And only 40 in Georgia and Florida.

Guess that stuff about An armed society is a polite society hasn’t kicked in down there yet, huh?

40 in an entire state of almost 20 million people vs 24 in a few square miles of one major city.

One is not like the other



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 08:12AM
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cbelt3
Your continued arguments for more comprehensive gun control are appreciated. I agree that all guns should be more tightly controlled and not easily purchased or used.

I assume you’re recommending rules similar to the UK or Canada ? Good ideas !

We need to stop criminals from access to firearms. Banning firearms from law abiding Americans is equal to banning driving of sober people to prevent drunk driving deaths



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 07, 2023 08:27AM
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Mr645
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pdq
And only 40 in Georgia and Florida.

Guess that stuff about An armed society is a polite society hasn’t kicked in down there yet, huh?

40 in an entire state of almost 20 million people vs 24 in a few square miles of one major city.

One is not like the other

10 million people in the Chicago area. And it wasn’t in a “few square miles”; your total was spread from the south side all the way to north of Evanston.

And, of course, as usual, it was a cherry-picked weekend.

But I agree that we need fewer guns and better gun laws, like in New York City, that had three shootings last weekend. Or do those people not count?
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 07, 2023 08:34AM
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cbelt3
Your continued arguments for more comprehensive gun control are appreciated. I agree that all guns should be more tightly controlled and not easily purchased or used.

I assume you’re recommending rules similar to the UK or Canada ? Good ideas !

We should follow the Constitution. No "taking without compensation."

We should have the federal government buy all of the guns to take them out of civilian hands. Similar to what Australia did.



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 01:57PM
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pdq
And only 40 in Georgia and Florida.

Guess that stuff about An armed society is a polite society hasn’t kicked in down there yet, huh?

40 in an entire state of almost 20 million people vs 24 in a few square miles of one major city.

One is not like the other

10 million people in the Chicago area. And it wasn’t in a “few square miles”; your total was spread from the south side all the way to north of Evanston.

And, of course, as usual, it was a cherry-picked weekend.

But I agree that we need fewer guns and better gun laws, like in New York City, that had three shootings last weekend. Or do those people not count?

A bulk of the shootings happen here.
Englewood 215
Austin 214
Garfield Park 198
North Lawndale 171
These neighborhoods are small areas.

Criminal shootings are horrible, but let's start where the problem is massive.

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We need to take guns away from criminals, not law abiding Americans



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 07, 2023 06:07PM
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Mr645
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cbelt3
Your continued arguments for more comprehensive gun control are appreciated. I agree that all guns should be more tightly controlled and not easily purchased or used.

I assume you’re recommending rules similar to the UK or Canada ? Good ideas !

We need to stop criminals from access to firearms. Banning firearms from law abiding Americans is equal to banning driving of sober people to prevent drunk driving deaths

This is referred to as a “false equivalency” and not a valid point in the art of debate.
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: jdc
Date: November 07, 2023 06:41PM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?





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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Spock
Date: November 07, 2023 06:51PM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 07, 2023 09:48PM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

"Enforce the laws on the books"...the laws that the gun lobby is actively trying to get in front of the sympathetic SCOTUS for nullification.
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 08, 2023 01:31PM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

How about significant jail time for ANYONE using a firearm for criminal activities? Hold up a gas station with a firearm? 10 yrs min.
Fire a gun into a crowd? 25 yrs minimum

Oh, wait, that would be racist



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 08, 2023 01:33PM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.

Wow, criminally charges for being a victim of a crime? Someone steals your car, crashes and kills someone, the owner that allowed his car to get stolen goes to jail?



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 09, 2023 11:07AM
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Spock
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jdc
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.

Wow, criminally charges for being a victim of a crime? Someone steals your car, crashes and kills someone, the owner that allowed his car to get stolen goes to jail?

If you left the keys in the ignition, yes.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 09, 2023 11:09AM
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jdc
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

How about significant jail time for ANYONE using a firearm for criminal activities? Hold up a gas station with a firearm? 10 yrs min.
Fire a gun into a crowd? 25 yrs minimum

Oh, wait, that would be racist

Racist? Most all mass slaughters were committed by men who were white. Yes, I guess under the new interpretation of racism, white males qualify.

But surely you didn’t mean that. You meant the gunners were not white so you once again showed your true colors.



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 09, 2023 11:12AM
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Spock
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.

Wow, criminally charges for being a victim of a crime? Someone steals your car, crashes and kills someone, the owner that allowed his car to get stolen goes to jail?

If you left the keys in the ignition, yes.

[www.shouselaw.com]

Criminal negligence refers to conduct in which a person ignores a known or obvious risk, or disregards the life and safety of others. Federal and state courts describe this behavior as a form of recklessness, where the person acts significantly differently than an ordinary person under similar circumstances. An example is a parent leaving a loaded firearm within reach of a small child.



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Smote
Date: November 10, 2023 01:52AM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.

Wow, criminally charges for being a victim of a crime? Someone steals your car, crashes and kills someone, the owner that allowed his car to get stolen goes to jail?

actually, if you leave it running with the keys in it and leave, you are at fault to some degree.



"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 10, 2023 05:53AM
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Mr645
We need to stop criminals from access to firearms.

Exactly how do we do that? What are the steps?

When gun owners prove to be irresponsible by letting their guns be stolen, you punish their irresponsibility by putting them in jail. If their gun is used for a homicide you charge them as an accessory with felony murder.

Wow, criminally charges for being a victim of a crime? Someone steals your car, crashes and kills someone, the owner that allowed his car to get stolen goes to jail?

If you left the keys in the ignition, yes.

[www.shouselaw.com]

Criminal negligence refers to conduct in which a person ignores a known or obvious risk, or disregards the life and safety of others. Federal and state courts describe this behavior as a form of recklessness, where the person acts significantly differently than an ordinary person under similar circumstances. An example is a parent leaving a loaded firearm within reach of a small child.

Adults that leave a loaded firearm within reach of a child get charged with a crime.

If you leave your loaded firearm under your bed, and no children live in the house, a burglar breaks in while no one is home, steals the gun and shoots someone, who gets charged?



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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 10, 2023 08:13AM
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Mr645
If you leave your loaded firearm under your bed, and no children live in the house, a burglar breaks in while no one is home, steals the gun and shoots someone, who gets charged?

From a gun-hugger web site no less...

"While you may not be charged with manslaughter.. if your stolen gun is used in a crime, you could be charged with negligence depending on state law. Again, each state has different laws in this regard, but if you did not take reasonable security measures with your firearm, a charge of negligence could be issued by police.

While criminal charges against owners of a stolen gun are rare, civil charges are not. A victim or a victim’s family can sue you in civil court, especially if you were careless with the storage and security of your firearm."


[www.ammunitiontogo.com]
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Re: No mass shootings this weekend in Chicago
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 10, 2023 02:18PM
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Mr645
If you leave your loaded firearm under your bed, and no children live in the house, a burglar breaks in while no one is home, steals the gun and shoots someone, who gets charged?

From a gun-hugger web site no less...

"While you may not be charged with manslaughter.. if your stolen gun is used in a crime, you could be charged with negligence depending on state law. Again, each state has different laws in this regard, but if you did not take reasonable security measures with your firearm, a charge of negligence could be issued by police.

While criminal charges against owners of a stolen gun are rare, civil charges are not. A victim or a victim’s family can sue you in civil court, especially if you were careless with the storage and security of your firearm."


[www.ammunitiontogo.com]

Good thing gunners carry liability insurance for just this scenario.



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