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Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 07, 2023 08:17AM
The every-sperm-is-sacred group pulled out all the stops against the amendment. The GOP tried to raise the bar for passage; they rewrote the amendment summary that appears on the ballot; the GOP SOS decided last month was a good time to remove 27,000 predominantly young voters from the voting registration lists, and the anti-abortion folks are out door-knocking and spreading the usual lies.

Right now, abortion is prohibited in Ohio after 6 weeks, with no exceptions for rape or incest. This was passed and signed well before Dobbs, despite being plainly unconstitutional at the time (are you listening, Mr. Smote?). But then the current SCOTUS decided to rewrite 50 years of legal precedence at their whim, wiping out what all of the newly appointed justices (that voted with the majority) had recently testified to Congress they considered settled law.

So, what in this amendment?

Here it is:

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A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on: contraception; fertility treatment; continuing one’s own pregnancy; miscarriage care; and abortion.

B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either: An individual's voluntary exercise of this right or; A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right, unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual's health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

C. As used in this Section: “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient's treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”

“State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.

D. This Section is self-executing.

This is simply Roe, pre-Dobbs. And in Dobbs and ever since, the Right has maintained the posture that abortion should be left up to the states.

So they got what they (say they) wanted.

Worth watching.
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 07, 2023 08:30AM
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pdq
...and ever since, the Right has maintained the posture that abortion should be left up to the states.

No. that was before Roe was overturned.

Now, they want abortion banned across the nation with no exceptions.

As our present Speaker of the House has indicated.



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 07, 2023 08:45AM
I guess you’re right there.

Well, it’s what they used to claim.
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: gabester
Date: November 07, 2023 09:06AM
Because the GQP got what it wanted with SCOTUS overturning Roe via the Dobbs decision, the far right needs additional things to stir up their indignation and get them to participate in elections...

So regardless of what happens with abortion, they're coming for other personal liberties we hold dear.

Your right to marry who you want.
Your right to divorce if you chose poorly.
Your access to additional health care such as contraception; they'll come for birth control pills and punish men who have had vasectomies.

Banning abortion is so problematic as there are so many procedures adjacent to it that practitioners worry could get them in trouble for the routine and especially emergency care for pregnancy for the health of the fetus and the mother.

Total abortion bans put ALL pregnant people at risk. These believers in the unborn should be ashamed of themselves.



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: November 07, 2023 09:20AM
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gabester
Because the GQP got what it wanted with SCOTUS overturning Roe via the Dobbs decision, the far right needs additional things to stir up their indignation and get them to participate in elections...

So regardless of what happens with abortion, they're coming for other personal liberties we hold dear.

Your right to marry who you want.
Your right to divorce if you chose poorly.
Your access to additional health care such as contraception; they'll come for birth control pills and punish men who have had vasectomies.

Banning abortion is so problematic as there are so many procedures adjacent to it that practitioners worry could get them in trouble for the routine and especially emergency care for pregnancy for the health of the fetus and the mother.

Total abortion bans put ALL pregnant people at risk. These believers in the unborn should be ashamed of themselves.

Gilead is coming
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 07, 2023 10:42AM
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gabester
So regardless of what happens with abortion, they're coming for other personal liberties we hold dear.

Your right to marry who you want.
Your right to divorce if you chose poorly.
Your access to additional health care such as contraception; they'll come for birth control pills and punish men who have had vasectomies...

...Your right to vote, to read the books you'd like to read, to select your own wardrobe, to not have some rando bureaucrat ASSIGN a permanent gender and gender-role to your baby at birth regardless of what science and reason might say, to marry someone not selected by the state, to breath clean air and drink clean water...

Thus year's babies are next year's "future workers." (With no permanent homes, no vacations, no benefits, no retirement age, no Social Security, no Medicare, etc.)



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 07, 2023 01:18PM
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gabester
Your right to divorce if you chose poorly.

Not even that, so much.

People change. Some people change A LOT.

A couple that gets married at 18 may not be right for each other at 68.
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 07, 2023 01:39PM
‘ States with restrictive abortion laws place more kids in foster care, particularly kids of color ‘

[ktvz.com]



‘ States with the toughest abortion laws have the weakest maternal supports, data shows ‘

[www.npr.org]
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 01:58PM
I support abortion up to week 942.

And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned?



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 07, 2023 02:05PM
“ And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned? “


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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 07, 2023 03:28PM
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btfc
“ And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned? “



President Silverstone? One or the Pro Hamas students at Harvard ?



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 07, 2023 04:34PM
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btfc
“ And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned? “



I had to read this three times, and I still do not understand.

Are you implying President Biden is responsible for the reversal of R v W?

Just trying to follow what you are saying.
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 07, 2023 04:38PM
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sekker
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btfc
“ And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned? “



I had to read this three times, and I still do not understand.

Are you implying President Biden is responsible for the reversal of R v W?

Just trying to follow what you are saying.

It's amazing to me how many people in this great information age do not know that president Silverstone was responsible for the overturning of Roe v Wade.



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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 07, 2023 07:30PM
‘ Ohio Issue 1 Election Results: Establish a Constitutional Right to Abortion ‘


Early results:


[www.nytimes.com]
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 07, 2023 07:55PM
All I see is exit polling from the NYT, but that shows both men and women in favor of the amendment, women being 53% of voters today and them favoring it 61/39. In fact, virtually every group was in favor except over 65 (narrowly against), conservatives and Republicans.

All voters under 30 were 82/18.
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Re: Ohio votes on abortion today
Posted by: PeterB
Date: November 07, 2023 10:46PM
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Tiangou
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sekker
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btfc
“ And who was president when Roe v Wade was overturned? “



I had to read this three times, and I still do not understand.

Are you implying President Biden is responsible for the reversal of R v W?

Just trying to follow what you are saying.

It's amazing to me how many people in this great information age do not know that president Silverstone was responsible for the overturning of Roe v Wade.

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