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NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Wags
Date: November 20, 2023 10:59PM
Very interesting. Can't say I'm schooled on all this but I think some here are. I put it on this side since there are very serious geopolitical issues raised. The troubled relationship between Taiwan and China (M chips) is one of them. Manufacturing outsourcing, globalization, work ethics, 5G implementation, and of course democracy vs central authority.

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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 20, 2023 11:24PM
5G and solar cell production are the areas where they have a lead. It was very light on the specifics of why Huawei hardware is so much cheaper than what is replacing their stuff that is getting yanked out.



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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Wags
Date: November 20, 2023 11:44PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
5G and solar cell production are the areas where they have a lead. It was very light on the specifics of why Huawei hardware is so much cheaper than what is replacing their stuff that is getting yanked out.

12 hour days 6 day a week might have something to do with it.
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: gabester
Date: November 21, 2023 07:19AM
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Wags
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Filliam H. Muffman
5G and solar cell production are the areas where they have a lead. It was very light on the specifics of why Huawei hardware is so much cheaper than what is replacing their stuff that is getting yanked out.

12 hour days 6 day a week might have something to do with it.

Also an absolute lack of environmental regulations, lax enforcement of the few rules that do exist, the ability to throw in prison/slave labor where needed to boost the economy, and an operational government that actually sees benefits to investing in infrastructure vs. a gridlocked one that is unable to act and whose default settings were stuck near "laissez faire" for 40+ years.



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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: November 21, 2023 07:47AM
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Wags
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Filliam H. Muffman
5G and solar cell production are the areas where they have a lead. It was very light on the specifics of why Huawei hardware is so much cheaper than what is replacing their stuff that is getting yanked out.

12 hour days 6 day a week might have something to do with it.

Also an absolute lack of environmental regulations, lax enforcement of the few rules that do exist, the ability to throw in prison/slave labor where needed to boost the economy, and an operational government that actually sees benefits to investing in infrastructure vs. a gridlocked one that is unable to act and whose default settings were stuck near "laissez faire" for 40+ years.

A libertarian paradise, IOW.
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: gabester
Date: November 21, 2023 10:06AM
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...lax enforcement of the few rules that do exist, the ability to throw in prison/slave labor where needed to boost the economy, and an operational government that actually sees benefits to investing in infrastructure vs. a gridlocked one that is unable to act and whose default settings were stuck near "laissez faire" for 40+ years.

A libertarian paradise, IOW.

Arguably China has been even more of a libertarian paradise than the US for business, that's a big part of their growth advantage, except that the CCP / government is perfectly happy to reinforce the libertarian benefits with investments particularly in key resources, infrastructure, and technologies. The US, on the other hand, has let that state investment atrophy to facilitate tax cuts for the wealthy, subsidize classic climate crisis causing energy companies, basically do everything about as backwards as it could be done, making it even easier for the Chinese to overtake the US.

Witness their whole Belt and Road initiative. The US could have done that with the fall of the Iron Curtain 30 years ago. Instead, tax cuts for the wealthy and a winnowing of the middle class.



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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 21, 2023 01:40PM
I've visited on a half-dozen times one of their special industrial districts. Not Shenzen, but one outside Shanghai.

I cannot overemphasize how easy it is to set up a company within one of these districts. Paperwork, space, governance, startup $$ - all readily available and within 48 hours.

Seriously.

Even in the best of times, this would be typically a year or more in the US.
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: November 21, 2023 01:57PM
Plus China steals IP.
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: November 21, 2023 02:54PM
and that the guy sitting next to you is your Party member...who's watching you closely. (Not kidding, the Party is always present nowadays.)
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 21, 2023 03:33PM
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Steve G.
and that the guy sitting next to you is your Party member...who's watching you closely. (Not kidding, the Party is always present nowadays.)

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Replace the word "Social" with something more palatable, like "Security" then answer which political movement in the US is more likely to look at that system and go, "Maybe..."
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Re: NOVA - Inside China's Tech Boom
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 21, 2023 03:51PM
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Plus China steals IP.

Oh, absolutely!

I visited SIP, and the ~1200 biotech companies there. I was there visiting the only company that, as far as I could tell, had unique IP. We were trying to make a deal.

In the end, we failed because there were not reassurances that if my company's IP was getting copied in China as a part of an 'IP leak' scenario, that we could sue.

I tried to get the Chinese company to invest into my company, so that if there was theft, the Chinese company could be suing another Chinese company.

The entire high speed rail system in China as far as I can tell is a total tech rip-off from Germany.
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