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Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 21, 2023 12:42PM
Another law abiding gunner until he wasn’t. Get off my land…. seems like a justified shooting for alleged trespassers.

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The mass shooting happened around 1 p.m. Monday when the killer opened fire on five people in a wooded area, Custer County Sheriff Lloyd “Rich” Smith said at a news conference Monday night.

Two men and a woman were killed, he said. Another woman suffered gunshots to the chest and is expected to survive, while a fifth person managed to escape, Smith said.

A manhunt now is underway for 45-year-old Hanme K. Clark, described as 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, with brown hair and eyes, county officials in Custer and nearby Chaffee said. He may be driving a white Dodge Ram 1500 pickup truck with a white topper and license plate BHLK27, Smith said.

“We knew immediately who the suspect was going to be,” the sheriff said.

“The suspect and at least one of the victims have been in previous civil disputes about property lines and easements,” Smith said, without providing further details.

It was not immediately clear what the gunman’s relationships were to the victims, the sheriff said.

The deadly attack marks at least the 609th mass shooting in the US so far this year with four or more people shot, excluding the perpetrator, data from the Gun Violence Archive shows.

The shooting happened in a remote part of Custer County, near the border with Fremont County, Smith said.

When authorities arrived, “We didn’t know where the shooter was. The shooting happened in a wooded area, and so we entered kind of at a high risk,” the sheriff said.

“We did find a survivor, and we were able to bring her out of the hot zone and get her to the ambulance,” Smith said. The survivor had suffered gunshot wounds and was flown to a Level 1 trauma center in Colorado Springs.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: kj
Date: November 21, 2023 01:19PM
"Another law abiding gunner until he wasn’t."

Yeah, they all turn eventually, don't they. The cops knew he was dangerous.
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: November 21, 2023 01:19PM
but will Walmart make it 3 in a row by today?
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BEAVERCREEK, Ohio (AP) — Walmart says it is working closely with investigators to try to determine why a shooter opened fire at one of its stores in Ohio and wounded four people before killing himself.

The attack was reported at around 8:30 p.m. Monday at the Walmart in Beavercreek, a town of about 50,000 in the Dayton metropolitan area.

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The shooting happened a day after two people were shot and killed outside a Walmart in south Anchorage, Alaska. Police are still searching for a suspect in that case. The store was evacuated before closing for the day, and officers helped people reach their vehicles.
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 21, 2023 01:32PM
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 21, 2023 01:46PM
Won't someone think of the guns that might be harmed by this bad press?
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: pdq
Date: November 21, 2023 02:22PM
Cars are immensely useful devices.

Guns result in a similar number of deaths, but are only useful to kill, practice to kill, or threaten to kill.
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: kj
Date: November 21, 2023 02:56PM
If only Russia and Ukraine had no guns. They could knife each other, but so many fewer would be killed. Plus, if they only knew having the guns was actually more of a danger to themselves!
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 21, 2023 03:23PM
I think the record for Walmart* shootings during Thanksgiving week was 4. Not opening on Thursday might prevent another record.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 21, 2023 03:58PM
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Speedy
“The suspect and at least one of the victims have been in previous civil disputes about property lines and easements,” Smith said, without providing further details...

Colorado's "Make My Day" Castle law and self defense laws are liberal enough to validate this as a justified shooting.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 21, 2023 05:52PM
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kj
If only Russia and Ukraine had no guns. They could knife each other, but so many fewer would be killed. Plus, if they only knew having the guns was actually more of a danger to themselves!

Congratulations! Conflating weapons of war with civilian gunners is quite the stretch that no one I know has ever made.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Smote
Date: November 22, 2023 04:56AM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.



"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 22, 2023 08:31AM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.

Pretty much the same applies to gunners except it’s not illegal to drink and carry.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 22, 2023 08:44AM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.

The perennial gun-hugger false equivalency; cars are NOT the same as guns in any valid, logical analogy!
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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Smote
Date: November 22, 2023 07:51PM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.

Pretty much the same applies to gunners except it’s not illegal to drink and carry.

obviously you know little if anything about various state firearms laws.

[www.thetrace.org]

"Thirty-four states ban the possession or carrying of some or all firearms on the basis of alcohol abuse or active intoxication, according to a Trace review of state gun policies."

"Twenty-four states and D.C. prohibit guns in places where alcohol is served or consumed, whether it’s a restaurant, a bar, or other such establishment."



"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 22, 2023 08:18PM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.

Pretty much the same applies to gunners except it’s not illegal to drink and carry.

obviously you know little if anything about various state firearms laws.

[www.thetrace.org]

"Thirty-four states ban the possession or carrying of some or all firearms on the basis of alcohol abuse or active intoxication, according to a Trace review of state gun policies."

"Twenty-four states and D.C. prohibit guns in places where alcohol is served or consumed, whether it’s a restaurant, a bar, or other such establishment."

So, you can drink and carry. You just can’t be drunk and carry in those 34 states. The remaining 16 states don’t care how drunk you are.



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Re: Search for Colorado shooter underway after 3 killed, 1 wounded in apparent dispute over property lines
Posted by: Smote
Date: November 22, 2023 08:29PM
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Mr645
quick, take away guns from 85 million other people.

We should take away cars from sober drivers to prevent drunk driving deaths too

Each and every driver is just 3 stiff drinks away from a DUI. Less if on meds.

Pretty much the same applies to gunners except it’s not illegal to drink and carry.

obviously you know little if anything about various state firearms laws.

[www.thetrace.org]

"Thirty-four states ban the possession or carrying of some or all firearms on the basis of alcohol abuse or active intoxication, according to a Trace review of state gun policies."

"Twenty-four states and D.C. prohibit guns in places where alcohol is served or consumed, whether it’s a restaurant, a bar, or other such establishment."

So, you can drink and carry. You just can’t be drunk and carry in those 34 states. The remaining 16 states don’t care how drunk you are.

you completely ignored the part that in 24 states, you can't even go into a place that serves alcohol while carrying, even if you drink water.

And intoxication also covers prescribed, OTC or illegal drugs.



"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."
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