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$7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: freeradical
Date: November 25, 2023 12:13PM
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Due to the City having to cover the vast majority of the increased cost of serving asylum seekers and migrants combined with the pre-existing budget gaps caused by added City spending outpacing recurring revenues, the fiscal year 2025 gap widens to $7.1 billion from the previously estimated $5.1 billion. While large, this gap understates the magnitude of the problem, since it excludes the cost of the fiscal cliff ($2.4 billion) and the City’s underbudgeting of programs ($1.1 billion) (detailed in CBC’s “What to Look for...”). Adding these brings the fiscal year 2025 gap to $10.6 billion.

To protect the City’s ability to provide key services to New Yorkers—now and in the future—the City continues to face hard choices. The budget gaps have been in plain sight and growing for years, signaling the clear need for a citywide look at program impact and efficiency to identify all opportunities to reduce costs without cutting critical services. Doing this well requires hard work and collaboration across all stakeholders to determine service priorities. The City cannot do everything for everyone. But managed well to get the basics right, the City can lay the safe, strong foundation that New York and New Yorkers need to thrive.


[cbcny.org]
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 25, 2023 12:39PM
Yeah, let's blame shortfalls on immigration and past administrations and not the administration that's been caught stealing and has been mismanaging from the start.

This is what you get when you don't do any research on the candidates before the election. People voted without knowing who they were voting for.

Now, he's slashing budgets for police, firefighters, libraries and schools with no restraint and with the flimsiest rationale.

[abc7ny.com]

"This has never happened in the history of New York City," said Michael Mulgrew, president of the United Federation of Teachers. "The financial problem, as far as we know, is completely fabricated. We've been involved with budgets forever. We see what's going on. The mayor said this is because of the asylum seekers. There is no foundation, there is no evidence."

And what are they spending money on? Encrypting police radios to prevent the press from documenting police-brutality and destroying public records so that the mayor's theft and bribe-taking will be harder to track.


"A properly functioning democracy depends on an informed electorate." — Thomas Jefferson



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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Fritz
Date: November 25, 2023 02:30PM
NYC has had a long series of lousy dishonest thieving low life mayors.
And that's the best of them.



!#$@@$#!

What if the hokey pokey really is what it’s all about?

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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: jdc
Date: November 25, 2023 05:50PM
nice.





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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 28, 2023 06:34PM
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.



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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 28, 2023 07:49PM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.



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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 28, 2023 10:54PM
Should we round up and deport the illegal immigrants that are shucking crabs, nailing shingles and mowing gold courses, or just the ones collecting government checks?
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Mr645
Date: November 29, 2023 06:54AM
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Acer
Should we round up and deport the illegal immigrants that are shucking crabs, nailing shingles and mowing gold courses, or just the ones collecting government checks?

Start with the ones that are lined up for days on sidewalks, living in government paid hotels, those that failed to show up for court ordered asylum hearings, those that never identified who they are.
Or those working without paying taxes. If these illegal immigrants were supporting themselves it would not be costing taxpayers $450 billion (under Biden) to deal with them.

[www.fairus.org]



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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 29, 2023 08:00AM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-taxes-rent-vaccine-requirements-983035929946

Immigrants pay taxes and housing costs, regardless of status

CLAIM: There are more than 18 million immigrants in the country without authorization but, unlike U.S. citizens, they are not required to pay taxes, rent, or receive vaccines.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Recent estimates put the figure of immigrants in the U.S. without authorization at about 11 million. Regardless, they face taxation, housing costs, and work or school immunization requirements like U.S. citizens.

…the claims about taxes, housing costs and immunizations are false.




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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 29, 2023 08:03AM
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Mr645
Start with the ones that are lined up for days on sidewalks, living in government paid hotels, those that failed to show up for court ordered asylum hearings, those that never identified who they are.
Or those working without paying taxes. If these illegal immigrants were supporting themselves it would not be costing taxpayers $450 billion (under Biden) to deal with them.

[www.fairus.org]

“The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a non profit, anti-immigration organization in the United States. The group publishes position papers, organizes events, and runs campaigns in order to advocate for changes in U.S. immigration policy. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies FAIR as a hate group with ties to white supremacist groups.”

“FAIR was founded in 1979 by Michigan surgeon and white nationalist John Tanton.”
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 29, 2023 08:13AM
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How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 29, 2023 08:50AM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 29, 2023 10:20AM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 29, 2023 03:45PM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

There’s such a thing as a person who is unlawfully resident in our country.

It’s more of a mouthful to say, but it doesn’t imply that the subject is less than human.



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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 29, 2023 04:34PM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

There’s such a thing as a person who is unlawfully resident in our country.

It’s more of a mouthful to say, but it doesn’t imply that the subject is less than human.

facepalmNonsense!

No one is claiming anyone’s “personhood” is “illegal”, but you keep asserting they have.

What’s illegal is their immigration status; they are “immigrants” who have entered a country “illegally”.
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 29, 2023 05:55PM
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How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

There’s such a thing as a person who is unlawfully resident in our country.

It’s more of a mouthful to say, but it doesn’t imply that the subject is less than human.

facepalmNonsense!

No one is claiming anyone’s “personhood” is “illegal”, but you keep asserting they have.

What’s illegal is their immigration status; they are “immigrants” who have entered a country “illegally”.

[www.dictionary.com]

noun
Informal: Disparaging and Offensive. illegal alien.




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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 29, 2023 06:28PM
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Mr645
How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

There’s such a thing as a person who is unlawfully resident in our country.

It’s more of a mouthful to say, but it doesn’t imply that the subject is less than human.

facepalmNonsense!

No one is claiming anyone’s “personhood” is “illegal”, but you keep asserting they have.

What’s illegal is their immigration status; they are “immigrants” who have entered a country “illegally”.

[www.dictionary.com]

noun
Informal: Disparaging and Offensive. illegal alien.

1. Your link says nothing about illegal “personhood” as you’ve implied.
2. Note it does specify “informal”; the formal definition and usage remain valid.
3. Read on in your link…
“a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson.”
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Re: $7.1 billion is real money
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: November 29, 2023 07:16PM
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How about closing the border and routing up illegal immigrants and sending them back home.

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

An unfortunate and specious argument I wish people would not use.

“Immigrant” is a legitimate term and classification.

A “person” can also be an immigrant.

That person can immigrate “legally” into a country by adhering to all the immigration requirements of that country.

If they immigrate without adhering to those requirements, they have immigrated “illegally”; they are by definition an “illegal immigrant”.

Undocumented workers. Illegal is a slur.

Newspeak!

illegal
adjective
- not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT
also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

There’s such a thing as a person who is unlawfully resident in our country.

It’s more of a mouthful to say, but it doesn’t imply that the subject is less than human.

facepalmNonsense!

No one is claiming anyone’s “personhood” is “illegal”, but you keep asserting they have.

What’s illegal is their immigration status; they are “immigrants” who have entered a country “illegally”.

[www.dictionary.com]

noun
Informal: Disparaging and Offensive. illegal alien.

1. Your link says nothing about illegal “personhood” as you’ve implied.
2. Note it does specify “informal”; the formal definition and usage remain valid.
3. Read on in your link…
“a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson.”

I wasn't using to support my statement that people are not illegal. That's prima facie.

I'll let you guess what purpose I quoted it for.



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