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Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 11, 2024 04:56PM
Streaming live on Peacock

Guess which country got Booed
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 05:23PM
guess which singer had thousands calling for the Death Of Israel outside the venue.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: May 11, 2024 05:54PM
Guess which had a loving tribute to a 50 year old victory with worldwide admiration and a documentary that shot to the top of the streaming charts.



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 06:08PM
Non-binary Bambie would be shot in the street by her Hamas heroes for being gay.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

Ireland’s act in tears

Non-binary singer Bambie Thug, who is representing Ireland this year, broke down in tears speaking to journalists on Friday, and revealed that they had cried with their team when Israel qualified for the grand final. Thug was wearing a pro-Palestine Keffiyeh.



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: May 11, 2024 06:13PM
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Steve G.
Non-binary Bambie would be shot in the street by her Hamas heroes for being gay.

[edition.cnn.com]

More children were killed during four months of war in Gaza than in four years of conflict worldwide, according to the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini called the number "staggering" on social media and shared a graph comparing the number of children killed in global conflicts between the years of 2019 and 2022 to the number of those killed between October 2023 and February 2024 in Gaza, citing the UN and Palestinian health officials.

A total of 12,193 children were killed between 2019 and 2022 globally, and a total of 12,300 children were killed in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024, according to those figures...


Palestinian babies are all terrorists, I guess. Huh, Steve?



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 06:24PM
so, you are defending the gay-hating Islamic extremist Hamas?
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 06:37PM
[www.msn.com]

"If Hamas would release the hostages, there would be a ceasefire tomorrow," Biden emphasized to the audience of about 100 people. He further underscored Israel's position, saying, "Israel said it's up to Hamas, if they wanted to do it, we could end it tomorrow. And the ceasefire would begin tomorrow."



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: May 11, 2024 06:39PM
Way to paint everyone with a wide paint brush Steve, I guess all Jews are <insert jewish stereotype here>.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: May 11, 2024 06:39PM
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Steve G.
so, you are defending the gay-hating Islamic extremist Hamas?

Just to clarify: These folks are Hamas?




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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 07:24PM
Hamas's human shield cannon fodder, yes.

The more 'martyr' corpses the happier Hamas is They make no secret of it.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 07:25PM
Of course, that has nothing to do with crowds of idiots screaming for Israeli blood at a song contest.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: May 11, 2024 07:33PM
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Steve G.
Of course, that has nothing to do with crowds of idiots screaming for Israeli blood at a song contest.

Of course, that has nothing to do with those people campaigning to save innocent human lives.



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: May 11, 2024 08:00PM
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Steve G.
Hamas's human shield cannon fodder, yes.

The more 'martyr' corpses the happier Hamas is They make no secret of it.

As a Jew, whose people have been the subject of the same, the inhumanization you're advocating is surprising.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 11, 2024 08:11PM
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Carnos Jax
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Steve G.
Hamas's human shield cannon fodder, yes.

The more 'martyr' corpses the happier Hamas is They make no secret of it.

As a Jew, whose people have been the subject of the same, the inhumanization you're advocating is surprising.

Indeed. But this time the tables weapons are turned.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 11, 2024 08:12PM
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Steve G.
Of course, that has nothing to do with crowds of idiots screaming for Israeli blood at a song contest.

Boo is not the same as screaming for blood.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 11, 2024 10:49PM
guess which singer had thousands calling for the Death Of Israel outside the venue
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: May 12, 2024 01:34AM
CBC
Thousands of pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched for the second time in a week on Saturday through Sweden's third-largest city, which has a large Muslim population, to demand a boycott of Israel and a ceasefire in the seven-month-long Gaza war that has killed almost 35,000 Palestinians, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory.

Several hundred people gathered outside the Malmo Arena before the final, with some shouting "shame" at arriving music fans, and facing off with police blocking their path. Climate activist Greta Thunberg was among those escorted away by police.




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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Mr645
Date: May 12, 2024 06:33AM
If only Biden had not funded Iran, who funded Hamas to start this war.

If only Biden remembered that on March 26th 2021 the Biden administration sent $15 million to Palestine, to Hamas to help fight COVID. And on May 11th 2021 Hamas fired 630 rockets at Israel, rockets purchased with the COVID money we gave to Hamas.

Dividing the nation wasn't enough for Joe, he stepped up by dividing the world



"he is going to start WW3!!!!"
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: May 12, 2024 08:22AM
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Mr645
If only Biden had not funded Iran, who funded Hamas to start this war.

And the rabid, alt-right, fact-ignoring, echo chamber lies continue…

October 12, 2023
”It is also wrong to say the transfer of the $6 billion funded the recent Hamas attack, because Iran hasn’t yet received any of the money.”

The U.S. Treasury’s undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, Brian Nelson, posted a statement on social media on Oct. 7 saying, ‘All of the money held in restricted accounts in Doha as part of the arrangement to secure the release of 5 Americans in September remains in Doha. Not a penny has been spent.’”




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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 12, 2024 09:11AM
He is poorly educated, leave him alone.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 09:28AM
December 14, 2017

[www.nytimes.com]

STOCKHOLM — This past Saturday, a Hanukkah party at a synagogue in Goteborg, Sweden, was abruptly interrupted by Molotov cocktails. They were hurled by a gang of men in masks at the Jews, mostly teenagers, who had gathered to celebrate the holiday.

Two days later, two fire bombs were discovered outside the Jewish burial chapel in the southern Swedish city of Malmo.

Who knows what tomorrow may bring?

For Sweden’s 18,000 Jews, sadly, none of this comes as a surprise. They are by now used to anti-Semitic threats and attacks — especially during periods of unrest in the Middle East, which provide cover to those whose actual goal has little to do with Israel and much to do with harming Jews.

Both of these recent attacks followed days of incitement against Jews. Last Friday, 200 people protested in Malmo against President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. The protesters called for an intifada and promised “we will shoot the Jews.” A day later, during a demonstration in Stockholm, a speaker called Jews “apes and pigs.” There were promises of martyrdom.

Malmo’s sole Hasidic rabbi has reported being the victim of more than 100 incidents of hostility ranging from hate speech to physical assault. In response to such attacks, the Simon Wiesenthal Center issued a travel warning in 2010 advising “extreme caution when visiting southern Sweden” because of officials’ failure to act against the “serial harassment” of Jews in Malmo.

Today, entering a synagogue anywhere in Sweden usually requires going through security checks, including airport-like questioning. At times of high alert, police officers with machine guns guard Jewish schools. Children at the Jewish kindergarten in Malmo play behind bulletproof glass. Not even funerals are safe from harassment.

Jewish schoolteachers have reported hiding their identity. A teacher who wouldn’t even share the city where she teaches for fear of her safety told a Swedish news outlet: “I hear students shouting in the hallway about killing Jews.” Henryk Grynfeld, a teacher at a high school in a mostly immigrant neighborhood in Malmo, was told by a student: “We’re going to kill all Jews.” He said other students yell “yahoud,” the Arabic word for Jew, at him.

A spokesman for Malmo’s Jewish community put the situation starkly. You “don’t want to display the Star of David around your neck,” he said. Or as spokesman for the Goteborg synagogue put it, “It’s a constant battle to live a normal life, and not to give in to the threats, but still be able to feel safe.”

The question that has dogged Jews throughout the centuries is now an urgent one for Sweden’s Jewish community. Is it time to leave?

Some are answering yes. One reason is the nature of the current threat.

Historically, anti-Semitism in Sweden could mainly be attributed to right-wing extremists. While this problem persists, a study from 2013 showed that 51 percent of anti-Semitic incidents in Sweden were attributed to Muslim extremists. Only 5 percent were carried out by right-wing extremists; 25 percent were perpetrated by left-wing extremists.

Swedish politicians have no problem condemning anti-Semitism carried out by right-wingers. When neo-Nazis planned a march that would go past the Goteborg synagogue on Yom Kippur this September, for example, it stirred up outrage across the political spectrum. A court ruled that the demonstrators had to change their route.

There is, however, tremendous hesitation to speak out against hate crimes committed by members of another minority group in a country that prides itself on welcoming minorities and immigrants. In 2015, Sweden was second only to Germany in the number of Syrian refugees it welcomed. Yet the three men arrested in the Molotov cocktail attack were newly arrived immigrants, two Syrians and a Palestinian.

The fear of being accused of intolerance has paralyzed Sweden’s leaders from properly addressing deep-seated intolerance.

Some of the country’s leaders have even used Israel as a convenient boogeyman to explain violence. After the terrorist attacks in Paris in November 2015, Sweden’s foreign minister, Margot Wallstrom, explained radicalism among European Muslims with reference to Israel: “Here, once again, we are brought back to situations like the one in the Middle East, where not least, the Palestinians see that there isn’t a future. We must either accept a desperate situation or resort to violence.”

In an interview in June, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven was asked whether Sweden had been naïve about the link between immigration and anti-Semitism. His response was typical of the way in which leading politicians have avoided giving straight answers about the threat against the country’s Jews: “We have a problem in Sweden with anti-Semitism, and it doesn’t matter who expresses it, it’s still as darn wrong.”

But the problem has grown so dire that it finally forced Mr. Lofven to admit in an interview this month: “We will not ignore the fact that many people have come here from the Middle East, where anti-Semitism is a widespread idea, almost part of the ideology. We must become even clearer, dare to talk more about it.”

He’s right. Unfortunately, the country’s news media is often unable to speak plainly about the issue.

Two years ago, Sweden’s biggest newspaper, Aftonbladet, published a column that ridiculed the notion that Jews were talking of leaving the country because of anti-Semitism, dismissing it as “lying” and “hysteria,” and scoffing at the “especially cool” machine guns that police officers use when protecting Jewish schools. The same newspaper accused Israel of harvesting Palestinian organs in 2009 — the modern equivalent of the blood libel.

On Dec. 6, Sweden’s state TV attributed President Trump’s announcement on Jerusalem to the supposed extreme strength of the so-called Jewish lobby in the United States. The channel later apologized. TT, Sweden’s leading news agency, cited ”influential Jewish donors” in its analysis of the move. “Attack against synagogue linked to Trump,” was the headline chosen by Swedish Metro to explain the fire bomb attack in Goteborg.

There are many areas in which Israel deserves criticism, but the Swedish press often crosses the line into vilification of the Jewish state and regularly insinuates that events in the Middle East are directed by powerful Jews in the West. This risks stoking already dangerously high anti-Jewish sentiment.

What can be done?

For starters, there are growing demands from Sweden’s Jewish organizations for the state to do more to protect them. These days, Jewish institutions rely heavily on member fees and their own security organizations for protection. But keeping citizens safe is a basic job of the government.

It is also vital for Sweden to adopt a coherent strategy to combat radical Islamism. The country has become one of Europe’s richest recruiting grounds for Islamic State fighters. Five people were killed in an Islamist attack in downtown Stockholm in April, and Swedish Islamists have been involved in other deadly attacks in Europe, including in Paris and Brussels.

One aspect of this strategy must be for the authorities to regain control over immigrant neighborhoods, where organized crime is rampant. In addition, Sweden has had a laissez-faire attitude toward religious schools, tax-funded through a voucher system. This has allowed extremists to exert influence over the minds of young people. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund radicalization.

The government should also do more to counter attempts by foreign clerics to radicalize its Muslim community with a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam, including the insidious idea that the Holocaust is a lie. In Sweden, as in other European countries, radicalization of Muslims is often funded and organized by foreign entities.

None of these efforts can be successful, however, without openly acknowledging the nature of modern anti-Semitism in Sweden.

During his state visit to Sweden in 2013, President Barack Obama didn’t hesitate to call out the country’s anti-Semitism problem. Speaking at Stockholm’s main synagogue, he included a subtle but unmistakable criticism of the attitude among Swedish politicians: ”We will stand against anti-Semitism and hatred, in all its forms.” Swedish leaders should heed his words.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 09:54AM
May 22, 2015
[www.cbc.ca]
Swedish television aired an hour-long documentary on anti-Semitism in Malmö. A Swedish journalist put on a kippa, sat at an outdoor café and wandered into Rosengaard. He was called a Jewish Satan, and people threw eggs at him from their apartments.
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The Simon Weisenthal Center in Los Angeles issued a travel advisory to Jews in 2010 – don't go to Malmö. It reissued the warning last year.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 12, 2024 10:59AM
Let me make that very, very clear one more time.

Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are NOT OK.

I strongly condemn the Hamas attack from Oct 7, and all those BEFORE and AFTER Oct 7.

I also strongly condemn the indiscriminate bombing in Gaza under the excuse that Hamas is using civilians as Human shields.

Israel messed up the response and alienated many allies, just as US messed up the 9/11 response and alienated many allies.

The difference was that Israel was warned to not do the same mistake. They did.

All this will result in Biden losing popularity and return of the WORST PRESIDENT to the White House in 2025.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 11:22AM
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Fritz
[www.nytimes.com]

[www.nytimes.com]

"But in the bloody arithmetic of Hamas’s leaders, the carnage is not the regrettable outcome of a big miscalculation. Quite the opposite, they say: It is the necessary cost of a great accomplishment — the shattering of the status quo and the opening of a new, more volatile chapter in their fight against Israel.

It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

Since the shocking Hamas attack on Oct. 7, the group’s leaders have praised the operation, with some hoping it will set off a sustained conflict that ends any pretense of coexistence among Israel, Gaza and the countries around them.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 12, 2024 12:18PM
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special
All this will result in Biden losing popularity and return of the WORST PRESIDENT to the White House in 2025.

And this is where I add my two cents that this is an intention of many who are "protesting the war". There's reasons to protest, of course, but I'm suspicious about how crude and alienating so many participants are, which is moving people to extreme reactions with no possibility of compromise or even intelligent discourse. As witnessed on this thread.



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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 12, 2024 01:10PM
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$tevie
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special
All this will result in Biden losing popularity and return of the WORST PRESIDENT to the White House in 2025.

And this is where I add my two cents that this is an intention of many who are "protesting the war". There's reasons to protest, of course, but I'm suspicious about how crude and alienating so many participants are, which is moving people to extreme reactions with no possibility of compromise or even intelligent discourse. As witnessed on this thread.

This is exactly how I feel as well.

I think we can all agree that:

1) Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on civilians and their taking of hostages was wrong;

2) The indiscriminate bombing of Gaza and the massacre of civilians in response to that attack is also wrong;

3) There is no easy solution to this problem, since both sides apparently don't see any way to get to compromise;

4) ALL of this is absolutely NO justification for permitting Orange Dump to return to the WH ... there is no evidence that he would have handled this situation any better than Joe, and in fact, there's a lot of evidence that he would not. He has largely remained silent about it recently: [www.nbcnews.com] and while he was President, his "peace plan" was rejected by both sides: [en.wikipedia.org] (Of course, I'm leaving out all the other, many reasons why Dump should never be allowed to hold the Presidency again, independent of this particular situation.)




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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 02:07PM
If the Israelis had planned 'indiscriminate bombing' and 'massacre of civilians', they would have leveled Gaza and killed hundreds of thousands on October 8th.

Why didn't Hamas give shelter to civilians in their hundreds of miles of concrete tunnels? It is because they wanted as many Gazans to die as possible.
(ps- those Hamas dubious 'massacre' figures include all their Holy Warriors who have attacked the Israelis and been killed as well as a number of civilians that they could not have possibly counted..)
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 12, 2024 02:13PM
Well, leveling Gaza on Oct 8 would also kill the hostages.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 12, 2024 02:17PM
Steve G., I'm sorry, but some of the bombing and attacks HAVE been indiscriminate. Even if you were to believe the IDF is doing its very best to try not to target civilians, they haven't always succeeded in doing so.

[www.amnesty.org]
[www.cnn.com]
[www.cnn.com]

Wherever you might fall on either side of this debate, neither side is completely innocent and without fault, nor is either side completely in the right.




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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 02:19PM
gadje really reaching for his hate-Israel excuses today

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special
Well, leveling Gaza on Oct 8 would also kill the hostages.

The hostages were not in most of Gaza. The Israelis could have killed half a million people overnight...but they didn't. Unlike Hamas' hopes to do something similar to Jews.



(Yes, All of this in addition to Hamas' crimes taking hundreds of hostages after slaughtering over 1200 more.)
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 02:33PM
@ Peter B

The use of these terms are used to imply that randomly bombing Gazans is the main Israeli policy. It is not.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: May 12, 2024 03:39PM
Oh, you are so droll, sir. If there is an Israeli policy, I am unable to discern it.

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Steve G.
@ Peter B

The use of these terms are used to imply that randomly bombing Gazans is the main Israeli policy. It is not.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 04:08PM
[www.timesofisrael.com]
Switzerland may have taken the crown, and Croatia narrowly won the popular vote, but Israel received top points in the televote from the highest number of countries — including the “rest of the world” — at the 2024 Eurovision on Saturday night.

After months of calls for Israel to be banned from the international song contest, voters in 14 different countries — out of 37 that were eligible to vote — plus those in all non-participating nations as a group, handed the most possible points, 12, to the Jewish state.

Overall, Israel’s Eden Golan finished fifth out of the 25 competitors in the Eurovision grand final this year.

Ultimately, Israel got top marks from voters in Australia, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom, plus the “rest of the world” aggregate. It also got 10 points, the second-highest possible, from Albania, Austria, Cyprus, Czechia, Moldova, Slovenia and even Ireland, considered by many to be one of the most anti-Israel countries in Europe.
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In the semifinal rounds, where only the televote is used to determine who advances, Israel received the most points overall on Thursday night, just edging out the Netherlands
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 04:24PM
@gadje

so how come you never post anything that might throw shade on Hamas?

...yet never fail to loft anti-Israel material
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: special
Date: May 12, 2024 05:19PM
can you read? Whoever gadje is, I don't care but I did post about Hamas:

I strongly condemn the Hamas attack from Oct 7, and all those BEFORE and AFTER Oct 7.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest (Political)
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: May 12, 2024 05:41PM
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special
can you read? Whoever gadje is, I don't care but I did post about Hamas:

I strongly condemn the Hamas attack from Oct 7, and all those BEFORE and AFTER Oct 7.

That's ONE...
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