WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump on Wednesday agreed to hold two campaign debates — the first on June 27 hosted by CNN and the second on Sept. 10 hosted by ABC — setting the stage for the first presidential face-off in just weeks.

The quick agreement on the timetable to meet followed the Democrat’s announcement that he will not participate in fall presidential debates sponsored by the nonpartisan commission that has organized them for more than three decades. Biden’s campaign instead proposed that media outlets directly organize the debates with the presumptive Democratic and Republican nominees. Trump, in a post on his Truth Social site, said he was “Ready and Willing to Debate” Biden.

Hours later, Biden said he accepted an invitation from CNN, adding, “Over to you, Donald.” Trump said on Truth Social he’d be there, adding, “Let’s get ready to Rumble!!!” And soon after that, they agreed to the second debate on ABC.

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CNN is saying that for their debate, no audience will be present (no obnoxious deplorables).

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Let's see if it really happens. "I'd love to debate, but the gag order prevents me" or something like that.

I imagine P45* will debate thinking he can just steamroll over Biden.

My idea of a balanced debate is that each participant is in a soundproof booth à la '50s game show.

They'd each have a mic, speaker, countdown timer, and red and green lights, but a moderator/referee would have a switch that allows only one to be heard by the audience.

They'd know when they could talk and when they couldn't be heard.

While we're at it, a screen that says LIE DETECTED and a flash bang is fired inside the booth.

Patent Pending.

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“the Democrat’s announcement that he will not participate in fall presidential debates sponsored by the nonpartisan commission that has organized them for more than three decades. Biden’s campaign instead proposed that media outlets directly organize the debates with the presumptive Democratic and Republican nominees.”

I strongly disagree with Biden about this.

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“the Democrat’s announcement that he will not participate in fall presidential debates sponsored by the nonpartisan commission that has organized them for more than three decades. Biden’s campaign instead proposed that media outlets directly organize the debates with the presumptive Democratic and Republican nominees.”

I strongly disagree with Biden about this.

I think he wants to avoid having to debate on FOX. Understandably.

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My guess is that there will be no September debate. Either because Trump does so poorly in the June one, or because Trump can seriously no longer put together complete sentences, or both.

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My guess is that there will be no September debate. Either because Trump does so poorly in the June one, or because Trump can seriously no longer put together complete sentences, or both.

Or he's in prison

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My guess is that there will be no September debate. Either because Trump does so poorly in the June one, or because Trump can seriously no longer put together complete sentences, or both.

Or he's in prison

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yeah, not holding my breath for any fall debate, as the presumptive "winner" of the summer debate will find a reason not to debate in the fall. but, really, is there any point to debating someone like 45?

my hope is that Biden asks him specific things about being President that 45 should know but, of course, does not. I would like to see a discussion involving "shop talk," but I may be in the minority here.

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I strongly disagree with Biden about this.

fwiw, the GOP announced a couple years ago that they would never attend another debate staged by the Commission

NPR: Republicans say they're quitting the 'biased' Commission on Presidential Debates

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I strongly disagree with Biden about this.

fwiw, the GOP announced a couple years ago that they would never attend another debate staged by the Commission

NPR: Republicans say they're quitting the 'biased' Commission on Presidential Debates

But for Biden I think it would be better PR to stick with the commission.

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Trump's bail agreement allows him to attend the debate I believe.

Biden is the one avoiding more debates. And going early in June for the first one would be before the Democratic convention.

That makes for an interesting dynamic.

If Trump gets to the point where he doesn't want to debate, he can just say that in negotiations with the networks over the structure of the debate that it was clear the networks are favoring Biden so it isn't fair and he's out.

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If Trump gets to the point where he doesn't want to debate, he can just say that in negotiations with the networks over the structure of the debate that it was clear the networks are favoring Biden so it isn't fair and he's out.

This may depend on the outcome of his felony trial. Trump will want to put on a display for the cult if he wins and not so much if he loses.

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I strongly disagree with Biden about this.

fwiw, the GOP announced a couple years ago that they would never attend another debate staged by the Commission

NPR: Republicans say they're quitting the 'biased' Commission on Presidential Debates

But for Biden I think it would be better PR to stick with the commission.

And then what? Debate RFK, jr? Because Trump wouldn't be there.

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my hope is that Biden asks him specific things about being President that 45 should know but, of course, does not. I would like to see a discussion involving "shop talk," but I may be in the minority here.

I love that idea. And it would also educate the countless number of people who have no clue what the President of the United States can and cannot (and should not) do.

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I'm fine with this; as I've said before, Joe will wipe the floor with 'em.

Remember, you've got an incumbent, competent, though admittedly not super-popular at the moment, President; vs. a has-been, self-ascribed dictator, who is up for jail terms on various crimes... let the American public decide who is the more credible.

My only issue is that the moderator needs to be able to mute Dump whenever he goes over his time limit or speaks out of turn, which I'm sure will be quite frequently.

As for why Biden ditched the commission: [www.politico.com]

Edit: I forgot to mention... you have one candidate who is supported by three other Presidents. The other candidate is supported by... well, nobody other than his sycophants, and they'll ditch him when it becomes politically expedient to do so.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2024 06:50AM by PeterB.

Thanks, PeterB.

“For the president’s team, much of the decision stemmed from frustration over how the CPD handled the debates in 2020. In the campaign’s letter to the commission Monday, JEN O’MALLEY DILLON ticked off a number of complaints about its approach: that the scheduled debates would take place too late in the process after early voting is already underway in many states, that its model is antiquated and geared towards “huge spectacles” rather than “good debates,” and that the commission was “unable or unwilling to enforce the rules” during those 2020 debates.

Specifically, Biden’s team did not see the point of traveling to a college campus in a random state chosen by the commission — Utah, Texas and Virginia were set to host this year’s debates, a selection that perplexed some aides to the president. But the most problematic aspect of the commission’s debate format was its need to have a live audience. One person familiar with the campaign’s thinking pointed to Trump’s 2023 CNN town hall with anchor KAITLAN COLLINS where the former president’s supporters packed the room, giving the back and forth a feeling more akin to a pro wrestling match.

That could be a potential sticking point for Trump, however. Although he agreed to the studio debates without an audience, he suggested in a Truth Social post that he prefers “more than two debates and, for excitement purposes, a very large venue.”

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I'm fine with this; as I've said before, Joe will wipe the floor with 'em.

Remember, you've got an incumbent, competent, though admittedly not super-popular at the moment, President; vs. a has-been, self-ascribed dictator, who is up for jail terms on various crimes... let the American public decide who is the more credible.

My only issue is that the moderator needs to be able to mute Dump whenever he goes over his time limit or speaks out of turn, which I'm sure will be quite frequently.

As for why Biden ditched the commission: [www.politico.com]

But the offer from Biden’s campaign came with certain stipulations. For one, they want the debate to occur at a TV studio, with no audience present other than a single moderator, and with microphones that automatically turn off when a speaker’s time elapses.

[www.usnews.com]

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my hope is that Biden asks him specific things about being President that 45 should know but, of course, does not. I would like to see a discussion involving "shop talk," but I may be in the minority here.

I love that idea. And it would also educate the countless number of people who have no clue what the President of the United States can and cannot (and should not) do.

I can imagine a few specifics on this:

(1) Demonstration of the President's power to declassify documents.
(2) Demonstration of the limits of the President's power to direct independent agencies.

For (1) I envision Biden saying something that induces the Man Who Cannot Keep His Mouth Shut to reveal classified information of some kind that is not problematic to reveal at this point. Aliens, Kennedy, etc. Now you've got the former President disclosing classified information LIVE ON THE AIR disclosing classified information. For (2) Biden could then direct the Secretary of Defense to "protect the nation's secrets and assassinate the leaker" and be refused for giving an unlawful order. Then Biden could pardon himself. Then he could direct the AG to arrest the leaker.

It will be interesting if you put these two on stage and they legitimize normal government operations, how the GQP crowd might be tilted towards RFK Jr... while an unsettling wildcard I do believe that he will ultimately spoil the election for P01135809; couple that with the solid 10-20% of registered Republicans who have voted for Haley in the (heavily rigged in favor of the former President) primaries, I am encouraged.

Now we need to focus on the critical down ballot races in the House and the Senate.

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And then what? Debate RFK, jr? Because Trump wouldn't be there.

RFKj or the worm?

The worm is dead, but it would be more coherent.

But the offer from Biden’s campaign came with certain stipulations. For one, they want the debate to occur at a TV studio, with no audience present other than a single moderator, and with microphones that automatically turn off when a speaker’s time elapses.


Boy, I'd love that.

Hoopin' and hollerin' from the studio audience was fun at first when it started happening, but it's now just tiresome. It's not Oprah.

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I'm fine with this; as I've said before, Joe will wipe the floor with 'em.

Remember, you've got an incumbent, competent, though admittedly not super-popular at the moment, President; vs. a has-been, self-ascribed dictator, who is up for jail terms on various crimes... let the American public decide who is the more credible.

My only issue is that the moderator needs to be able to mute Dump whenever he goes over his time limit or speaks out of turn, which I'm sure will be quite frequently.

As for why Biden ditched the commission: [www.politico.com]

But the offer from Biden’s campaign came with certain stipulations. For one, they want the debate to occur at a TV studio, with no audience present other than a single moderator, and with microphones that automatically turn off when a speaker’s time elapses.

[www.usnews.com]

Not enough IMO. They need to give the ability to mute when a person interrupts or speaks out of turn. Or at the very least, deduct the interruption time from any they have remaining.

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I'm fine with this; as I've said before, Joe will wipe the floor with 'em.

Remember, you've got an incumbent, competent, though admittedly not super-popular at the moment, President; vs. a has-been, self-ascribed dictator, who is up for jail terms on various crimes... let the American public decide who is the more credible.

My only issue is that the moderator needs to be able to mute Dump whenever he goes over his time limit or speaks out of turn, which I'm sure will be quite frequently.

As for why Biden ditched the commission: [www.politico.com]

But the offer from Biden’s campaign came with certain stipulations. For one, they want the debate to occur at a TV studio, with no audience present other than a single moderator, and with microphones that automatically turn off when a speaker’s time elapses.

[www.usnews.com]

Not enough IMO. They need to give the ability to mute when a person interrupts or speaks out of turn. Or at the very least, deduct the interruption time from any they have remaining.

but, if it's not their turn, the mic won't be on. that is my reading of the above sentence. will that happen? not sure, but it's the intent.

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I'm fine with this; as I've said before, Joe will wipe the floor with 'em.

Remember, you've got an incumbent, competent, though admittedly not super-popular at the moment, President; vs. a has-been, self-ascribed dictator, who is up for jail terms on various crimes... let the American public decide who is the more credible.

My only issue is that the moderator needs to be able to mute Dump whenever he goes over his time limit or speaks out of turn, which I'm sure will be quite frequently.

As for why Biden ditched the commission: [www.politico.com]

But the offer from Biden’s campaign came with certain stipulations. For one, they want the debate to occur at a TV studio, with no audience present other than a single moderator, and with microphones that automatically turn off when a speaker’s time elapses.

[www.usnews.com]

Not enough IMO. They need to give the ability to mute when a person interrupts or speaks out of turn. Or at the very least, deduct the interruption time from any they have remaining.

but, if it's not their turn, the mic won't be on. that is my reading of the above sentence. will that happen? not sure, but it's the intent.

I'm not so sure. They may want to give the person who isn't speaking the opportunity to respond. And even if they do mute the mike, I don't think that'll stop Dump... he'll just shout loudly enough to be heard. His MO always seems to be to talk over the other person, or as in Hillary's case, hover/glower over them.



... in all seriousness, this is the guy people want to vote for?

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Rather than cut the mic have them each wear a shock collar which would prevent Trump shouting in order to be heard over Biden’s mic. A side benefit would be that this would also increase viewership.

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Rather than cut the mic have them each wear a shock collar which would prevent Trump shouting in order to be heard over Biden’s mic. A side benefit would be that this would also increase viewership.

That would be so much fun to watch since Trumpo can't control himself.

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Jeff Ross should moderate

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"he is going to start WW3!!!!"

"Let's get ready to.., you know the thing"

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"he is going to start WW3!!!!"