This has traditionally been used by gunners and other 2A worshippers.

But I thought it most clearly defined what I think the 2024 election is about. And I wanted to take it back from the crazy right.

We have two candidates who actually despise the Constitution, vs two who I know would defend it with their lives (and one who actually served).

I also added another Harris/Walz magnet on the other side.

$5.99 from Bezos' shop.

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."



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…as defined by [this] SCOTUS…

Yeah, enuf said.

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

Living always in fear must be horrible.

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

Living always in fear must be horrible.

When was the last time YOUR house was shot up? Just got the big window replaced 2 hours ago. Patched the siding and replace the light fixture, and just need to paint. I live in reality.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."



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A Constitution that is as easily reinterpreted as ours has recently been, is not a particularly healthy instrument. The only way to truly strengthen it would be through holding a Constitutional Convention. Holding a CC in itself opens the door for all sorts of mischief from many different sources.

The only real solution is through a political process we have yet to find, a process that will hold courts and judges accountable for their actions.

You and your experience is sad, and I am sorry you and your family had to go through that.

You and I will never agree on the current interpretation of the 2A. But your statement 'defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS' is disingenuous. I am absolutely sure that President Harris will abide by any and all SCOTUS rulings, even if she doesn't agree with them.

I have zero confidence of the same situation were there to be another Trump presidency.

And I note you ONLY tried to criticize Harris. Walz is governor of a state with constitutional amendment for the right to hunt and fish. And is a gun owner and hunter.

Anyway, I thank you for validating my concerns and approach. Our representative democracy is a work in progress. I will vote for the ticket that will continue to promote our development based on the Constitution, a document they will swear to honor.



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You and your experience is sad, and I am sorry you and your family had to go through that.

You and I will never agree on the current interpretation of the 2A. But your statement 'defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS' is disingenuous. I am absolutely sure that President Harris will abide by any and all SCOTUS rulings, even if she doesn't agree with them.

I have zero confidence of the same situation were there to be another Trump presidency.

And I note you ONLY tried to criticize Harris. Walz is governor of a state with constitutional amendment for the right to hunt and fish. And is a gun owner and hunter.

Anyway, I thank you for validating my concerns and approach. Our representative democracy is a work in progress. I will vote for the ticket that will continue to promote our development based on the Constitution, a document they will swear to honor.

No comment on in house visits to verify you are complying? You think that fits your idea of obeying and defending the Constitution?

Law enforcement can't do anything about the shootings at my home, as the DA's office doesn't want to be seen locking up a poor misunderstood youth for decades, and the FBI/ATF and DOJ do NOT prosecute minors, even for NFA and GCA violations. Doesn't look good in the news. So junior printing glock switches gets a free pass. They have the slugs, shell casings, multiple videos and a neighbor knows the car caught on video. The video even captured the muzzle flashes.
Unless the common sense gun laws people want involve mandatory charges and mandatory sentencing with no plea deals on weapons charges, regardless of age, things CAN'T get better.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."



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You and your experience is sad, and I am sorry you and your family had to go through that.

We have too many guns in this country. If we had responsible gun ownership rules that are enforced, you would not have to live through that.

You and I will just never agree on this topic.

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You and your experience is sad, and I am sorry you and your family had to go through that.

We have too many guns in this country. If we had responsible gun ownership rules that are enforced, you would not have to live through that.

You and I will just never agree on this topic.

No comment on in house visits to verify you are complying? You think that fits your idea of obeying and defending the Constitution? You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

nothing? can't defend her words.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

This is cherry picked from a video regarding California’s gun safety law passed in 2007 when this video was made that requires gun owners to secure their firearms safely out of reach of children. As in any home search a warrant is required and probable cause must be established through the court first.

The Second Amendment isn't even part of the Constitution.

It's part of the Bill of Rights. As we've seen those can come - and go - over time.

Without the Bill of Rights you still have the Constitution.
But do you have a Bill of Rights without the Constitution?

Sheesh.

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"We're going to require responsible behaviors among everybody in the community, and just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible and safe in the way you conduct your affairs,"

That was in May of 2007, 17 years ago; "San Francisco now has the strictest anti-gun laws in the county," They imposed penalties for gun owners who failed to store their firearms properly at home, as well as a requirement for legal gun distributors to submit an inventory to the chief of police every six months, and a ban on possessing guns – even legally – in public housing.

As DA it was Harris’ responsibility and duty to enforce those laws.

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The Second Amendment isn't even part of the Constitution.

It's part of the Bill of Rights. As we've seen those can come - and go - over time.

Without the Bill of Rights you still have the Constitution.
But do you have a Bill of Rights without the Constitution?

Sheesh.

It's an amendment. It's part of it. BUT,

It's all moot because nobody is stopping anyone "sane" from owning a gun. Anyone having a problem is simply advocating for the insane's rights to own weapons.

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You and your experience is sad, and I am sorry you and your family had to go through that.

We have too many guns in this country. If we had responsible gun ownership rules that are enforced, you would not have to live through that.

You and I will just never agree on this topic.

No comment on in house visits to verify you are complying? You think that fits your idea of obeying and defending the Constitution? You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

nothing? can't defend her words.

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

This is cherry picked from a video regarding California’s gun safety law passed in 2007 when this video was made that requires gun owners to secure their firearms safely out of reach of children. As in any home search a warrant is required and probable cause must be established through the court first.

Heller ruled requiring locks is Unconstitutional. Supremacy Clause means CA law is over ruled.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."

I'm glad my life is not a fevered paranoid delusion. I've found the serendipitous connections I've made through thinking the better of people are a significant ingredient in a life well lived.

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will Harris fight to the death to defend the 2A as defined by SCOTUS? No, no she won't.

She has already advocated to do in house inspections of law abiding gun owners. Here is proof. [www.youtube.com] In what wacky world is that Constitutional under MOST of the Bill of Rights? Would she do in-house inspections of computers and tablets for Manifestos?

You want videos of her calling for "mandatory gun buyback programs"? I've got them. That's politician speak for confiscation, because it is NOT optional to keep them.

This is cherry picked from a video regarding California’s gun safety law passed in 2007 when this video was made that requires gun owners to secure their firearms safely out of reach of children. As in any home search a warrant is required and probable cause must be established through the court first.

Heller ruled requiring locks is Unconstitutional. Supremacy Clause means CA law is over ruled.

Doesn’t change the cherry picking dog whistling, which is the point here. Heller was litigated after the vid and even so safe storage laws and child access prevention laws remain in place in over half of US states and have been upheld by lower courts. Why don’t you want innocent children to be safe from gun violence?

Everyone is free to lock up their firearms if they so choose. No one is stopping them. Where have I ever said someone couldn't lock up or otherwise secure their own firearms? Laws REQUIRING you to are unconstitutional.

Remember, my house was shot up multiple times, and my RATIONAL response, as well as my wife's, is that this is the person's fault. Blaming the firearm for the willful actions of a human is irrational. You ever blame Acura for illegal actions of the driver? The kid was driving an Acura. Let's go after them! After all, it WAS used in the commission of multiple crimes on multiple nights. Surely they are culpable. If they aren't culpable, then neither is Glock. Who sold him the gasoline? This goes on endlessly.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."

Spurious argument. Acuras are required to be safe, drivers must have a driver’s license. None of that is in the Constitution. But, we’ve strayed off message. You point to an out of context snippet out of a video from 2007 and claim Kamala Harris is going to break down your door and confiscate your precious firearms. Ridiculous.

Wonder what your glorious savior was doing in 2007? Hanging with Epstein, abusing underage girls? I know he was suing someone for writing a book. That case was thrown out.

Why don’t you answer my question? Why don’t you want children to be safe?

Who is this savior you speak of? I've always thought Trump is an idiot. I trust both candidates the same, and that is not at all.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."

I’m sorry your home was violated but without the gun your house would not have bullet holes from the actions of another gunner.

Ban guns and confiscate existing guns.

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"I love the constitution."


BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH GUNZ???????

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I’m sorry your home was violated but without the gun your house would not have bullet holes from the actions of another gunner.

Ban guns and confiscate existing guns.

I wonder if he did anything to provoke the attack

Nah unpossible.

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There are plenty of seemingly constitutional laws around requiring insurance for drivers of cars including Acuras. Why are gun owners exempt from

Trust both candidates not at all? So you're not voting, then, I take it.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So what exactly separates "bearing arms" by a "well regulated militia" from "uninfringed people"?

You do know that all this personal freedom stuff was kicked off by a bunch of wealthy regressive racists with the hopes of deluding folks into believing their false narrative about "laissez faire capitalism" and guns and libertarianism after the New Deal and the Civil Rights... and willfully choose to slather yourself in this snake oil rather than accept a simpler reality?

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Who is this savior you speak of? I've always thought Trump is an idiot. I trust both candidates the same, and that is not at all.

So you trust a YouTuber named Jared instead? What are his bonafides? All I can find out is he supposedly attended Quinsigamond Community College, but no mention of even an associate degree. So, where does his 2nd Amendment expertise come from? Oh wait, he sells coffee. Maybe that's it. High level of scholarship indeed. Guns & Gadgets. I'm sold.

Why don't you want children to be protected from guns? Come on, its a simple question.

Smote clearly has a passion for guns.

But I refuse to let the gunner lobby take away key brands like being a patriot, honoring and following the Constitution etc.

For some reason, the gunner lobby gets objectionable when folk talk about refining/revising how we handle guns, as IF gun rights were in the original Constitution. They were not.

They are in the CURRENT Constitution because we have a PROCESS to revise it, making it a living document.

So it's 100% aligned WITH THE CONSTITUTION to TALK about a next generation revision if we have it wrong or our society has evolved.

There are now two tickets competing to be in the White House. There is no question which one would honor the Constitution more, and which would also defend existing laws more. IF they have ideas for change, they would ALSO follow the Constitution for those changes.

There is ANOTHER ticket who literally says they would NOT honor the Constitution if they lose the election.

Smote - go ahead, pick A or B.

In my books, I pick A.

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Who is this savior you speak of? I've always thought Trump is an idiot. I trust both candidates the same, and that is not at all.

So you trust a YouTuber named Jared instead? What are his bonafides? All I can find out is he supposedly attended Quinsigamond Community College, but no mention of even an associate degree. So, where does his 2nd Amendment expertise come from? Oh wait, he sells coffee. Maybe that's it. High level of scholarship indeed. Guns & Gadgets. I'm sold.

Why don't you want children to be protected from guns? Come on, its a simple question.

Jared just provided the clip of Harris. How about coming from a lawyer? [www.youtube.com] much better anyway.

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"Defending your own life when in immediate danger to me is a basic right of each person. " Lemon Drop 11/17/2023 03:10 pm

Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." Right to Keep and Bear Arms: Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1982. Digitized September 30, 2008.

From the NYSRPA v Bruen "Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. . . . Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted in the Second Amendment's text, as informed by history."



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Jared just provided the clip of Harris. How about coming from a lawyer? [www.youtube.com] much better anyway.

Ah, trotting out this guy again… “the NRA's ‘most prominent black commentator,”"

He’s not hawking coffee though, he’s pushing T-shirts that say “Need Money For Pew Pew”.



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Who is this savior you speak of? I've always thought Trump is an idiot. I trust both candidates the same, and that is not at all.

So you trust a YouTuber named Jared instead? What are his bonafides? All I can find out is he supposedly attended Quinsigamond Community College, but no mention of even an associate degree. So, where does his 2nd Amendment expertise come from? Oh wait, he sells coffee. Maybe that's it. High level of scholarship indeed. Guns & Gadgets. I'm sold.

Why don't you want children to be protected from guns? Come on, its a simple question.

Jared just provided the clip of Harris. How about coming from a lawyer? [www.youtube.com] much better anyway.

Yeah, no. Once again, due process is in effect, and that guy knows it. As so should you. He’s yanking the chains of the uneducated angry lemmings. For views. For his own enrichment. Probable cause must be shown to a judge that a warrant may or may not be issued. That’s enshrined in the constitution. People still sue the crap out of governments and win millions on the basis of illegal search and seizure. At least for now.

Thank you for illustrating just how important this election is and to not allow the MAGAs to get ahold of any more power.



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