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Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 09, 2024 05:59PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 09, 2024 06:10PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 09, 2024 06:27PM
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Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 09, 2024 06:28PM
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DeusxMac
Seems to me that many (most) are forgetting that Harris did make an initial run for the Presidency back in 2019 (January 21, 2019). She was one of 29 “Democrats” who announced their intention to seek the nomination.*
She was the 14th to “suspend” her campaign (December 3, 2019), followed by 4 others who would also quit before the Primaries.
Of those who continued on into the Primaries, 3 were women: Klobuchar, Warren, and Gabbard.
Four of the remaining candidates won at least one State Primary. Meaning Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg, and Buttigieg all had significantly more support than Harris had.
Point being, she didn’t generate much interest among Democrats then, and apparently couldn’t swing the necessary enthusiasm 5 years later.
*Back in 2019, how many Forumites had Harris as their first choice? Don’t all raise your hands at once.
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 09, 2024 06:35PM
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Posted by: abevilac
Date: November 09, 2024 06:38PM
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: November 09, 2024 08:34PM
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Posted by: macphanatic
Date: November 09, 2024 08:58PM
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Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 09, 2024 09:29PM
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Posted by: davester
Date: November 09, 2024 10:06PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 10, 2024 12:33AM
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macphanatic
Had Biden dropped out before the primaries, Harris probably wouldn’t have won the primaries. Her approval rating, even among Democrats, wasn’t very high.
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Posted by: graylocks
Date: November 10, 2024 12:38AM
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DeusxMac
*Back in 2019, how many Forumites had Harris as their first choice? Don’t all raise your hands at once.
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: Spock
Date: November 10, 2024 07:23AM
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Posted by: pdq
Date: November 10, 2024 07:50AM
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davester
That said, the democrats had no choice but to run her after Biden dropped out and she did a great job against insurmountable odds. Hats off to her but given so many constraints (time being a major one) she didn't have a chance.
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Posted by: mattkime
Date: November 10, 2024 10:52AM
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Posted by: macphanatic
Date: November 10, 2024 11:29AM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 10, 2024 11:41AM
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macphanatic
Pelosi critizies Biden
Seems that one of the most senior Dems realized that they backed the wrong candidate.
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 10, 2024 12:10PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 10, 2024 12:19PM
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Posted by: Fritz
Date: November 10, 2024 12:45PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 10, 2024 01:00PM
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sekker
Pelosi was instrumental in the Biden exit, and she wanted an open primary.
Biden was mad and anointed Harris.
My wife, who loves Biden, wanted him to affirm his one-term decision last year and leave the decision to a full and open primary.
She is perhaps one of the least-engaged (on a daily basis) person I know. If it was obvious to her LAST YEAR, it was even more obvious to many others.
However, it's not clear to me that a 'better' candidate would have won with the current Democratic platform. We would have needed a true 'change' candidate - every single incumbent party lost support around the world (except for authoritarian rulers).
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Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 10, 2024 01:01PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 10, 2024 01:06PM
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: November 10, 2024 01:09PM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: November 10, 2024 01:28PM
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Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 10, 2024 01:36PM
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: November 10, 2024 02:15PM
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Posted by: vision63
Date: November 10, 2024 05:08PM
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mrbigstuff
^ yeah. what he said.
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: November 10, 2024 06:28PM
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^ yeah. what he said.
That like saying that it doesn't matter what you and the husband that beat you down argued about. It's counterproductive now to set the record straight because you have a mutual enemy. The husband might have had a great reason to "want" to beat you down, but he was wrong for actually beating you down. That needs to be clear.
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: kj
Date: November 10, 2024 07:47PM
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Posted by: davester
Date: November 10, 2024 08:56PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 10, 2024 09:07PM
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Posted by: kj
Date: November 10, 2024 10:41PM
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Acer
Have the Democrats really abandoned the working class?
Or have we been told they have abandoned the working class so often that we have come to accept it as an axiom?
Harris platform, per Politifact.
Which of these abandon the working class?
Ban corporate price gouging on food and groceries
Eliminate the filibuster to restore the Roe v. Wade precedent on abortion
Will not raise taxes for those earning less than $400,000 a year
Roll back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans
Enact a minimum tax for billionaires
Increase the tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for those earning at least $1 million a year
Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for families with newborns
Quadruple the tax on stock buybacks
Sign the bipartisan border security bill
Provide first-time homebuyers with up to $25,000 for down payments, plus more generous support for first-generation homeowners
Build 3 million more rental units and affordable homes
Outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords
Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines
Require universal background checks for gun sales
Sign the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act
Pass the Equality Act to protect LGBTQ+ Americans from discrimination
Extend the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending to all Americans
Make tax credit enhancements for health care premiums permanent
Launch a National Health Equity Initiative to address health challenges that disproportionately impact Black men.
Take on pharmacy benefit managers
Have Medicare cover in-home health care
Raise the minimum wage
Eliminate taxes on tips
Establish paid family and medical leave
End sub-minimum wages for tipped workers and people with disabilities
Double the number of apprenticeships
End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate
Limit businesses from "unnecessarily" using criminal arrest histories, convictions, and credit scores in employment decisions
Sign the pro-labor PRO Act and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act
There are more, see here: [www.politifact.com]
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: PeterB
Date: November 10, 2024 11:01PM
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"Democrats after losing by 2 points: Our brand is in ashes. We need a complete overhaul.
Republicans after losing by 4.5 points: Let's run the same guy again."
Bill Scher
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: Acer
Date: November 10, 2024 11:03PM
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Acer
Have the Democrats really abandoned the working class?
Or have we been told they have abandoned the working class so often that we have come to accept it as an axiom?
Harris platform, per Politifact.
Which of these abandon the working class?
Ban corporate price gouging on food and groceries
Eliminate the filibuster to restore the Roe v. Wade precedent on abortion
Will not raise taxes for those earning less than $400,000 a year
Roll back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans
Enact a minimum tax for billionaires
Increase the tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for those earning at least $1 million a year
Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for families with newborns
Quadruple the tax on stock buybacks
Sign the bipartisan border security bill
Provide first-time homebuyers with up to $25,000 for down payments, plus more generous support for first-generation homeowners
Build 3 million more rental units and affordable homes
Outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords
Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines
Require universal background checks for gun sales
Sign the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act
Pass the Equality Act to protect LGBTQ+ Americans from discrimination
Extend the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending to all Americans
Make tax credit enhancements for health care premiums permanent
Launch a National Health Equity Initiative to address health challenges that disproportionately impact Black men.
Take on pharmacy benefit managers
Have Medicare cover in-home health care
Raise the minimum wage
Eliminate taxes on tips
Establish paid family and medical leave
End sub-minimum wages for tipped workers and people with disabilities
Double the number of apprenticeships
End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate
Limit businesses from "unnecessarily" using criminal arrest histories, convictions, and credit scores in employment decisions
Sign the pro-labor PRO Act and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act
There are more, see here: [www.politifact.com]
Maybe you think those are the things they should want/need, but that could be part of the problem. I'm struggling to see anything there actually for the blue-collar average person. Maybe a couple, sort of.
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: kj
Date: November 11, 2024 12:04AM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: November 11, 2024 01:22AM
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: November 11, 2024 05:32AM
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Posted by: Fritz
Date: November 11, 2024 05:55AM
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Posted by: pdq
Date: November 11, 2024 07:13AM
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kj
The thread I see in all the analysis is the Democrats abandoning the working class and people living paycheck to paycheck. I think those are the biggest factors, whether Trump can change anything for those people or not.
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Following enactment of the ARP in March 2021, the Treasury Department oversaw a historic and unprecedented provision of federal assistance to struggling Americans, including delivering more than 150 million Economic Impact Payments within the first few weeks following the American Rescue Plan’s passage; providing emergency rental assistance to prevent evictions across the country; issuing the first ever monthly payments of the Child Tax Credit which supported tens of millions of families…
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 11, 2024 09:13AM
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Posted by: macphanatic
Date: November 11, 2024 01:07PM
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I very much agree with kj on this topic, including about Kenny G. That said, as I indicated earlier, I think that Kamala did the best she could do with the situation (and time constraint) that she was handed. It is absurd to me that the democrats have become the "elites" and have abandoned the working class, but this is exactly what has happened. The Republicans have now claimed this territory but only through never-ending lies. They don't give a damn about the working class and have not done a damn thing to advance the interests of same. Unfortunately the MAGA voters have no idea that this is true because they are fed a continuous stream of Fox News and talk radio lies. So, there are two problems to solve: 1) Change the Democratic party's platform to truly address working class issues; 2) Find some way to explode the social media/Fox News propaganda stream that brainwashes half the country.
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Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 11, 2024 01:50PM
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kj
Most of them have gotchas, for example:
"End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate"
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: kj
Date: November 12, 2024 01:31PM
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kj
Most of them have gotchas, for example:
"End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate"
What a strange one to pick on. I'll tell you why that was a good idea. My brother worked his way up from a maintenance job to Director of Facilities Management (whoops, Assistant Director). When he was laid off, he could not get a job because he had no college degree, and for every other job was considered "over qualified". THAT is a working-class problem for sure.
Actually, I have another one. I was production manager/print buyer in charge of a million dollar annual budget, and knew the HR person at a state college. They needed a production manager/print buyer so she gave me a ring. Oops, no college degree. Never mind.
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Posted by: kj
Date: November 12, 2024 01:35PM
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"In the end, Democrats spend more time talking about stuff like gender pronouns than things most people are struggling with. ...".
Wrong.
In the 2024 campaign Trump ran the anti-trans ad 30,000 times, it was the most often played ad by far. Transphobia and related bigotry and hate was made the centerpiece of the campaign.
Thr Harris campaign was not talking about pronouns, Trump and Vance were. To stir up fear.
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 12, 2024 03:02PM
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"In the end, Democrats spend more time talking about stuff like gender pronouns than things most people are struggling with. ...".
Wrong.
In the 2024 campaign Trump ran the anti-trans ad 30,000 times, it was the most often played ad by far. Transphobia and related bigotry and hate was made the centerpiece of the campaign.
Thr Harris campaign was not talking about pronouns, Trump and Vance were. To stir up fear.
If this came out of nowhere, you’d have a point, but this is a response to what democrats talk most about. Idk why you think I'm saying Trump will help the working class.
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Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 12, 2024 03:08PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 12, 2024 03:29PM
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It's those late night TV comics that drum up all the resentment.
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Posted by: davester
Date: November 13, 2024 10:24PM
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kj
No one looks at the written stuff, it’s how democrats talk about blue-collar types. See late night talk show hosts. Stupid, maggot, red neck, Florida/ Texas hate, etc, etc. This stuff shows how dems really feel about them, not statements on a website.
Re: Of the Democrats who threw their hats in the ring for 2020…
Posted by: kj
Date: November 14, 2024 01:13AM
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