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Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Jp!
Date: July 11, 2007 08:11AM
Interesting.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: spearmint
Date: July 11, 2007 08:27AM
She has a snowball's chance in hell. Pelosi wins in landslides.75% or more. However Cindy will devert some Dem voters and maybe open the door for a Republican. Just dreaming, Cindy would have to get 25%.

Only reason I see for it is she must be addicted to being in the spotlight.




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 08:33AM by spearmint.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 11, 2007 12:15PM
Sheehan may be a nut, but that doesn't mean she's wrong. Bush has committed impeachable offenses.

Nobody in Congress has the balls to impeach him, but that's irrelevant to the question of whether he should be impeached.

Pardoning Libby is an impeachable offense. One of the rare itemized ones coming out of the Constitutional Convention.
"...those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."
-Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 65
f the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty….”
-James Madison, 3 Elliot 486, 1786 (Congressional Record).

Another one that Bush seems to have tripped over is that he and his cabinet members have repeatedly lied to the Senate and to the people of this country about the war in Iraq.
"He is to regulate all intercourse with foreign powers, and it is his duty to impart to the Senate every material intelligence he receives. If it should appear that he has not given them full information, but has concealed important intelligence which he ought to have communicated, and by that means induced them to enter into meansures injurious to their country, and which they would not have consented to had the true state of things been disclosed to them, - in this case, I ask whether, upon an impeachment for a misdemeanor upon such an account, the Senate would probably favor him."
-James Iredell, 4 Elliot 127

Note that the words of the framers in these records are considered the highest source for determining what is or is not an impeachable offense.
[Constitutional decisions of the First Congress] "have always been regarded, as they should be regarded, as of the greatest weight in the interpretation of that fundamental instrument."
-Chief Justice Taft, Myers v. United States, 272 U.S 52, 174-75 (1926).
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: spearmint
Date: July 11, 2007 01:51PM
So Clinton's lying before the House and getting impeached is forgivable? Nobody has caught Bush in a lie. The WMD existed and everybody agreed. They are in Syria. Mustard gas is not a WMD?




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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 11, 2007 03:14PM
> So Clinton's lying before the House and getting impeached is forgivable?

I'm neither suggesting that people forgive Clinton or hate Bush.

I'm just saying that Bush has committed impeachable offenses.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: edgarbc1
Date: July 11, 2007 03:25PM
re: Bush/Clinton impeachment

payback is a bitch...
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: outcast
Date: July 12, 2007 12:28AM
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spearmint
The WMD existed and everybody agreed. They are in Syria.

I'm intrigued about these statements. Could you please list for me five people/organizations not directly tied to the current administration, and more importantly with International credibility, who can substantiate them both? I honestly can't think of such sources and I'm genuinely curious to know who you would site.


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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Don Kiyoti
Date: July 12, 2007 12:32AM
Getting Spearmint to substantiate himself is harder than teaching calculus to a cat.





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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: davester
Date: July 12, 2007 12:46AM
'mint just makes things up. He has no need of these silly things the rest of the world calls "facts".



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 12, 2007 01:56AM
>Pardoning Libby is an impeachable offense. One of the rare itemized ones coming out of the Constitutional Convention.

Someone at the White House Counsels office caught that, hence the commutation. Pardon to follow once he's out of reach.



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 12, 2007 04:00AM
> Someone at the White House Counsels office caught that, hence the commutation. Pardon to follow once he's out of reach.

Good catch. I used the wrong word.

I should have said "commuting Libby's sentence is an impeachable offense."

Either one is an impeachable offense -- giving shelter to a criminal whose criminal acts were performed under the authority of the executive.

It indelibly taints the executive to have him circumvent the courts and/or Congress in a case that deals with anyone politically affiliated with himself or his officers.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 12, 2007 07:36AM
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davester
'mint just makes things up. He has no need of these silly things the rest of the world calls "facts".

Nah, unfortunately he does not make these up. Just accepts as fact statements made by others, which at best are opinion, at worst are supposition based on flimsy or no evidence.



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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 12, 2007 09:16AM
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spearmint
Mustard gas is not a WMD?

Are you referring to the handful of pre-Gulf War I shells?

This is the WMD that placed the US in "Imminent danger" of attack?

Yeah, Santorum believed that crap, too.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: SteveO
Date: July 12, 2007 01:51PM
I hope Sheehan does run. Maybe it will wake Pelosi's lazy ass up. I can't believe the Dems have done nothing about the war since the election. Throw the whole lot of them out, Dem and Repub, and start over.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: spearmint
Date: July 12, 2007 05:18PM
That WWI mustard gas killed over 100,000 people in Iraq. That is not a WMD and you call it's use crp?




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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: billb
Date: July 12, 2007 05:39PM
Spearmint.

Come here only to find out what the liberal minions have been told to think.


You can tell which ones have no opinion. All they've posted was the same old tripe. Nothing about Pelosi. No opinion. Just repeated garbage.
Rather pathetic, actually.










The lemmings in the bleachers in the other side of the court are just as pathetic.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 13, 2007 07:54AM
billd.

Come here only to find out what the neo-con minions have been told to think.


You can tell which ones have no opinion. All they've posted was the same old tripe. Nothing about Bush. No opinion. Just repeated garbage.
Rather pathetic, actually.










The lemmings in the bleachers in the other side of the court are just as pathetic.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: herbiesyufy
Date: July 13, 2007 02:11PM
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edgarbc1
re: Bush/Clinton impeachment

payback is a bitch...

Well, frankly, so is Sheehan. And, for that matter, Pelosi.

Shrill ones, too.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 14, 2007 12:54AM
>>Nobody has caught Bush in a lie. The WMD existed and everybody agreed. They are in Syria. Mustard gas is not a WMD?


hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahagha....

*sigh*

hahahahahahaghghgahsahaghaghaghgahhah.....



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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: herbiesyufy
Date: July 14, 2007 01:16AM
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mattkime
hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahagha....

*sigh*

hahahahahahaghghgahsahaghaghaghgahhah.....

Looks like someone got into the mustard gas.

Or maybe just some wacky tobacky?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 14, 2007 01:23AM
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herbiesyufy
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Looks like someone got into the mustard gas.

Or maybe just some wacky tobacky?

True. In this case it would appear to be the neocons who led the incumbent by his nose ring into this disaster.



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: spearmint
Date: July 14, 2007 06:02AM
There is a lot of reportage that WMD are in Syria. Here is just a few examples. I do not like being called a liar. I do not know how to lie. If you do not believe Syria has some you are naive. It is an evil country and ex Sadaam's ally.

[www.nysun.com]
[www.2la.org]
[www.newsmax.com]
[www.telegraph.co.uk]




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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 14, 2007 08:01AM
Minty:
There are no MWDs, they were simply a devise, an excuse
There was no al Quaida presence in Iraq before we arrived, Sadaam wouldn't allow it.
There is oil under the sand of Iraq.
Mr. Bush and Mr, Cheney are oilmen.
Oilmen need oil to make money.
Iraq is a mess.
Mr, Bush and Mr. Cheney need the Iraqis to sign oil contracts.
We will not leave until these contracts are signed.
We cannot leave after they are signed as we will need to stay to protect the oil contracts.

What do you not understand about any of this?



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi



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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 14, 2007 09:53AM
'mint, you may not know how to lie, but it has become clear over the years that you have posted that you also do not know how to tell when you have been lied to. Then you post 4 URL's to sources that all have been shown over the years to have next to nothing for reliability. How about you read the followups to Kay's report of suspicion that some material was moved to Syria:

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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: July 15, 2007 03:19AM
Pelosi's not up for re-election until 08.
By the time Sheehan "takes office" Bush will have retired to the "ranch."

Sheehan has @#$%&, but not much in the way of brains.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: herbiesyufy
Date: July 15, 2007 04:15AM
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Seacrest
Bush will have retired to the "ranch."

Sheehan has @#$%&.

All of this talk of 'Bush' and '@#$%&' seem out of place in a family-friendly forum.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 15, 2007 04:28AM
He's right. Talk of Clinton and @#$%& are almost expected, not so for Mr. Bush.



"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 15, 2007 08:25AM
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JoeH
[www.nytimes.com]

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Joe,

The neocons have found a convenient way around such facts. They simply label the TImes a liberal propaganda machine that hates 'Merca and wants to surrender to the turrists.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 15, 2007 09:43AM
Hard to label the NY Times that when they had Judith Miller and others like her on board. But reality has been having a hard time penetrating the neocon world view.



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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: herbiesyufy
Date: July 15, 2007 11:10AM
Great...now we are penetrating Bush with @#$%&.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan to run against Pelosi
Posted by: spearmint
Date: July 16, 2007 08:37AM
Cindy was never anything but a disgrace to her son. Now she is going tragic. Sad.




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