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Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: samintx
Date: July 16, 2007 11:07AM
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was burned up last night when her boyfriend thru gasoline on her and lite it.
How can a person with such bad choices in her personal life make wise choices in CPS and other people's lives? I have always wondered at some of the neglect and ruling made by CPS in cases that seemed no brainers.
How can a person with such bad choices in her personal life make wise choices in CPS and other people's lives? I have always wondered at some of the neglect and ruling made by CPS in cases that seemed no brainers.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 16, 2007 12:16PM
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> How can a person with such bad choices in her personal life make wise choices in CPS and other people's lives?
1. Giving good advice and following it yourself are two different things.
2. Who better to advise about abusive relationships than someone who has/is going through one? and
3. How are we to judge? We don't know the whole story.
1. Giving good advice and following it yourself are two different things.
2. Who better to advise about abusive relationships than someone who has/is going through one? and
3. How are we to judge? We don't know the whole story.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 17, 2007 10:10AM
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Oofah.
Ok, rule #1 about casting aspersions on the dead seems to have faded away in our less polite century.
So I will now speculate that people working in this business (Which involves incredible stress for minimal pay) have a strong urge to somehow 'save' and 'serve'. Which often produces a blind spot when it comes to the truly evil.
Similar, for example, to the blind spot that Cleveland Browns fans have when they go to football games and expect something other than a loss.
Ok, rule #1 about casting aspersions on the dead seems to have faded away in our less polite century.
So I will now speculate that people working in this business (Which involves incredible stress for minimal pay) have a strong urge to somehow 'save' and 'serve'. Which often produces a blind spot when it comes to the truly evil.
Similar, for example, to the blind spot that Cleveland Browns fans have when they go to football games and expect something other than a loss.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 20, 2007 02:40AM
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Where has common sense gone? Sam is right. That particular person at cps is not the kind you want doing that job (or any other job, for that matter). I don't know anyone who works for cps, but I do for adult protective services, and they are level-headed people with normal lives. That's what you want. And they get paid a reasonable wage. kj.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 20, 2007 05:13AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 20, 2007 09:02AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 20, 2007 02:52PM
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>>>2. Who better to advise about abusive relationships than someone who has/is going through one? and
Let's see, I have a job opening for a child advocate, and I'm looking for someone who dates people that set them on fire. Yes, that makes sense. What job are you going to hire her to do? Is she going to make it to work tomorrow? kj.
Let's see, I have a job opening for a child advocate, and I'm looking for someone who dates people that set them on fire. Yes, that makes sense. What job are you going to hire her to do? Is she going to make it to work tomorrow? kj.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 20, 2007 03:04PM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: July 20, 2007 04:26PM
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I totally agree with Sam and KJ.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?
We should base all our employment decisions on how other people are going to kill the applicant in the future.
Now you Libruls will bring up that this may make for some awkward pre-employment questioning, but that's just because you're all left-wing wacko garbage who spit on the flag and have eaten too many imported Chinese alfalfa sprouts.
Good day.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?
We should base all our employment decisions on how other people are going to kill the applicant in the future.
Now you Libruls will bring up that this may make for some awkward pre-employment questioning, but that's just because you're all left-wing wacko garbage who spit on the flag and have eaten too many imported Chinese alfalfa sprouts.
Good day.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 21, 2007 02:50AM
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People in abusive relationships are not good employees. I know this from direct experience. I will say though, that she must have had decent attendance and longevity, since she evidently had been awarded "case worker of the year", at some point. I'll stop short of saying that means she was a good case worker though. Seacrest, you make no sense. I wasn't saying an employer could screen people like that. The point is whether they are well suited to a job with cps. kj.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 21, 2007 04:16AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 21, 2007 07:35AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: July 21, 2007 10:01AM
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Trying to make any sense from some of what is said here and I'm having difficulty but then that is probably just me.
So a person works long term for CPS, has a good work record and even gets case-worker of the year at some point. She becomes a victim of some nutter who sets her on fire and suddenly she is not suitable to do her job? She had known this person just 3 months, only dated occasionally and wasn't living with them. It seems that any victim of a crime is now unsuitable for work because they allowed themselves to be got at.
I do understand that working for the CPS takes a lot of good judgment but it seems she had proved she could do her job many times over. On the same basis it could be said that any policeman who gets burgled should resign. They more than anyone should know how to keep safe so if they become a crime victim you cannot trust their judgment again?
So a person works long term for CPS, has a good work record and even gets case-worker of the year at some point. She becomes a victim of some nutter who sets her on fire and suddenly she is not suitable to do her job? She had known this person just 3 months, only dated occasionally and wasn't living with them. It seems that any victim of a crime is now unsuitable for work because they allowed themselves to be got at.
I do understand that working for the CPS takes a lot of good judgment but it seems she had proved she could do her job many times over. On the same basis it could be said that any policeman who gets burgled should resign. They more than anyone should know how to keep safe so if they become a crime victim you cannot trust their judgment again?
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 21, 2007 10:42AM
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voodoo sad it better than I could. You can not always tell from a short term relationship how someone is going to turn out. As for the persons that kj knows -
" don't know anyone who works for cps, but I do for adult protective services, and they are level-headed people with normal lives. That's what you want. And they get paid a reasonable wage."
So what is their position? I know persons working for both CPS and Adult PS and none but upper level supervisors and administrators make a "reasonable wage". Those persons rarely do any of the client level day-to-day work. Most of the rest are making under $30,000 and might get up to $35,000 after 10 years or a promotion. The ones I know range from level headed to not, in other words a cross section of normal human beings.
" don't know anyone who works for cps, but I do for adult protective services, and they are level-headed people with normal lives. That's what you want. And they get paid a reasonable wage."
So what is their position? I know persons working for both CPS and Adult PS and none but upper level supervisors and administrators make a "reasonable wage". Those persons rarely do any of the client level day-to-day work. Most of the rest are making under $30,000 and might get up to $35,000 after 10 years or a promotion. The ones I know range from level headed to not, in other words a cross section of normal human beings.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 21, 2007 11:25AM
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Socrates: "That swan looks white."
kj: "All swans are white."
Socrates: "That other swan is clearly black."
kj: "All swans are white. I know that all swans are white. All swans are white"
Socrates: "That's not logical. All that it takes to demonstrate that you're wrong is for there to be one black swan. There's a black swan right over there. Just look."
kj: "You make no sense."
...
How many threads have worked out like this? It's getting boring.
kj: "All swans are white."
Socrates: "That other swan is clearly black."
kj: "All swans are white. I know that all swans are white. All swans are white"
Socrates: "That's not logical. All that it takes to demonstrate that you're wrong is for there to be one black swan. There's a black swan right over there. Just look."
kj: "You make no sense."
...
How many threads have worked out like this? It's getting boring.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: July 21, 2007 12:09PM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: July 21, 2007 03:21PM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 21, 2007 07:37PM
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>>2. Who better to advise about abusive relationships than someone who has/is going through one?
People in abused relationships are the best people to have in positions like that? You mean unabused people can't do a good job in that field? I'm sure there are many who _have been_ in abusive relationships who do well, but when they are currently in abusive relationships, they do not. Maybe there is ONE who does, but by far the majority do not. How many of you have known someone who burned another human being to death? I am just guessing there were some signs he wasn't real stable. And do you guys have "blank of the year" awards? They often mean almost nothing. kj.
People in abused relationships are the best people to have in positions like that? You mean unabused people can't do a good job in that field? I'm sure there are many who _have been_ in abusive relationships who do well, but when they are currently in abusive relationships, they do not. Maybe there is ONE who does, but by far the majority do not. How many of you have known someone who burned another human being to death? I am just guessing there were some signs he wasn't real stable. And do you guys have "blank of the year" awards? They often mean almost nothing. kj.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 21, 2007 09:34PM
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Give kj credit. he's been beaten to a virtual pulp intellectually and hasn't changed a single thought process. Of course he's not alone, he shares that characteristic with many others at least one of whom happens to hold high office.
"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 21, 2007 11:20PM
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kj
People in abusive relationships are not good employees.
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Chronicle
[www.chron.com]
"Lee, twice divorced and the mother of a teenage girl, was an award-winning social worker known for her passion for child protection. She was honored as Outstanding CPS Staff Person for 2005 by the Texas Council of Child Welfare Boards. She had worked for the agency since 1988 in offices in Beaumont, Houston and Conroe.
Several CPS counselors on Monday visited Lee's co-workers in Conroe.
This has been really difficult for the staff," said spokeswoman Gwen Carter. "We're going to miss Terry because she did so much."
Lee organized Montgomery County's annual Harley Owners Group Christmas Party and recently painted a beachscape on a wall at the CPS offices to make it more "kid-friendly." James described her friend ''as the strongest advocate for children and families that I ever met."
She recalled when Lee helped a family coping with the death of a young child. The family did not have money to bury the child so Lee got businesses to donate a casket and flowers.
''She was a wonderful role model and mentor," James said.
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kj
And do you guys have "blank of the year" awards? They often mean almost nothing.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 22, 2007 01:57AM
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>>Give kj credit. he's been beaten to a virtual pulp intellectually and hasn't changed a single thought process.
Ok rog, you amaze me. Intellectually? Yeah, there's a lot of that going on around here. Mag's little philosophy 101 swan story and lux's 'Murkin thing? Yep, that is impressive. I would have to say that voodoo and/or joe are being reasonable, but others of you seem content just to malign others. Whatever.
And Mag, I'm sure she was one of those people who's a complete mess everywhere but on the job. I've known plenty of those people, and it just doesn't work that way. If you had any experience at all with real people, you could read between the lines and see exactly what happened with her. Sam's opinion is completely legitimate. She has the experience to understand what's really going on here. kj.
Ok rog, you amaze me. Intellectually? Yeah, there's a lot of that going on around here. Mag's little philosophy 101 swan story and lux's 'Murkin thing? Yep, that is impressive. I would have to say that voodoo and/or joe are being reasonable, but others of you seem content just to malign others. Whatever.
And Mag, I'm sure she was one of those people who's a complete mess everywhere but on the job. I've known plenty of those people, and it just doesn't work that way. If you had any experience at all with real people, you could read between the lines and see exactly what happened with her. Sam's opinion is completely legitimate. She has the experience to understand what's really going on here. kj.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: July 22, 2007 02:29AM
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> I'm sure she was one of those people who's a complete mess everywhere but on the job.
> I've known plenty of those people, and it just doesn't work that way. If you had any
> experience at all with real people, you could read between the lines and see exactly what
> happened with her.
Some people have more confidence than smarts.
> I've known plenty of those people, and it just doesn't work that way. If you had any
> experience at all with real people, you could read between the lines and see exactly what
> happened with her.
Some people have more confidence than smarts.
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 22, 2007 03:35AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 22, 2007 09:25AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 23, 2007 12:11AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 23, 2007 02:49AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 23, 2007 03:55PM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 24, 2007 07:48AM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: kj
Date: July 24, 2007 03:46PM
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Re: Child Protective Services worker
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 25, 2007 09:33AM
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