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Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: h'
Date: December 31, 2007 12:29AM
Thoughtful and informative piece.

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By Noaki Schwartz, Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — California is defined by its scenery, from the mountains that enchanted John Muir to the wine country and beaches that define its culture around the world.

But as scientists try to forecast how global warming might affect the nation's most geographically diverse state, they envision a landscape that could look quite different by the end of this century, if not sooner.

Where celebrities, surfers and wannabes mingle on Malibu's world-famous beaches, there may be only sea walls defending fading mansions from the encroaching Pacific. In Northern California, tourists could have to drive farther north or to the cool edge of the Pacific to find what is left of the region's signature wine country.

Abandoned ski lifts might dangle above snowless trails more suitable for mountain biking even during much of the winter. In the deserts, Joshua trees that once extended their tangled, shaggy arms into the sky by the thousands may have all but disappeared.

[www.usatoday.com]
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Well, my primary complaint is that the sea otters get to scarf all the abalone. Drat!
Posted by: liberals' liberal
Date: December 31, 2007 08:56AM
The real ''climate change'' that is having the greatest affect on lifestyle in
California is the gradual change from an English-speaking region populated
by productive taxpayers into one where the few work to support the many,
and many of the many there illegally.
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Wild speculations, as in the article, are most likely done to frighten the ignorant.
Posted by: lunasea
Date: December 31, 2007 09:56AM
"Many of the possible scenarios are gloomy." says the article,
and why wouldn't they be? After all the left is determined to
destroy America using one of the infamous Soviet era methods
in creating discord. When the global cooling lie couldn't be
supported, they waited til summer to tell us the planet was
warming! And it all goes back to our industrialization, our
progress. Yup, our wealth as a nation and ability to sustain
ourselves was responsible for the pending demise of the planet!
And of course the do gooders and loons all on the left of
course, cried rivers of tears! There's no science in this and
never was. It's the old commie lies under a new religion!!
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: December 31, 2007 10:45AM
Better red than dead.
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: Comandanta_Blankenship
Date: December 31, 2007 10:55AM
Santa Barbara would have Santa Monica's current climate. Where is the disaster in that?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: x-uri
Date: December 31, 2007 01:23PM
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: December 31, 2007 05:08PM
To quote that great sage, Ronald Reagan, "there you go again..." with the Global Warming.

Right now, today, San Diego is a whopping 4.6% BELOW normal temperatures:

[www.weather.com]
[www.weather.com]

Looks like they were right after all...
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: x-uri
Date: December 31, 2007 06:36PM


1) Newsweek is not a peer-reviewed journal.

2) In the 33 years since the publication of this article more data has become available and better models for climate change have been developed.

3) Note that that the overall trend of the chart is warming (the smooth negative slope at the RHS occurs in an interval which is shorter than the time between the publication of that article and this post), and that the areas alleged to be affected by this cooling trend are NOT THE WHOLE FSKING PLANET!

Link to PDF of the Infamous Newsweek Article

A contemporary National Geographic Article

A survey of peer-reviewed literature from the period

edit -- fixed a typo



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/31/2007 06:38PM by x-uri.
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: h'
Date: December 31, 2007 09:42PM
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SDGuy
Right now, today, San Diego is a whopping 4.6% BELOW normal temperatures

Interesting. What about earlier this morning?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: Carthaigh
Date: December 31, 2007 09:58PM
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SDGuy
Right now, today, San Diego is a whopping 4.6% BELOW normal temperatures:

Right now, today, in my house, in Los Angeles, the temperature is 5% ABOVE the temperature outside. So what?


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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: January 01, 2008 09:41AM
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Carthaigh
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SDGuy
Right now, today, San Diego is a whopping 4.6% BELOW normal temperatures:

Right now, today, in my house, in Los Angeles, the temperature is 5% ABOVE the temperature outside. So what?

Well - combine the two and I think we're headed towards Global Normaltemperatureness - see, nothing to worry about after all...
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: January 02, 2008 08:28AM
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SDGuy
To quote that great sage, Ronald Reagan, "there you go again..." with the Global Warming.

Right now, today, San Diego is a whopping 4.6% BELOW normal temperatures:


I assume you're joking and not so ignorant as to equate climate with local weather patterns.
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: JoeH
Date: January 02, 2008 08:46AM
I assume he is not, SDGuy keeps bringing up that Newsweek report as if it actually means anything. It was not science 30 years ago, it was nothing more than an overstated article about the recent cool down in the popular press. The data was not anywhere close to being global as a number of areas were not included. X-uri covered it better, even then the material the Newsweek article was based on was not accepted as being conclusive.


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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 02, 2008 09:57AM
SDGuy considers baiting left wing librul baby killers his mission on this forum. He only has access for limited periods during the day. Other inmates often get to the keyboards first, so don't wait for a reply or expect an opportunity for a real tête-à-tête.


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: billb
Date: January 02, 2008 11:12AM
If they're going to secede, why should anyone care ?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 02, 2008 11:30AM
They'll secede right after the Cape leaves.


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 02, 2008 11:38AM
2007 a Year of Weather Records in U.S.

[apnews.excite.com]
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: billb
Date: January 02, 2008 12:01PM
Individual weather extremes can't be attributed to global warming, scientists always say. However, "it's the run of them and the different locations" that have the mark of man-made climate change, said top European climate expert Phil Jones, director of the climate research unit at the University of East Anglia in England.


What kind of double-speak is that ?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 02, 2008 12:41PM
Better to ask, what kind of world renowned institution is the University of East Anglia. Does it imply more accumen then the local DiVrey Institute?


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: x-uri
Date: January 02, 2008 10:10PM
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billb
Individual weather extremes can't be attributed to global warming, scientists always say. However, "it's the run of them and the different locations" that have the mark of man-made climate change, said top European climate expert Phil Jones, director of the climate research unit at the University of East Anglia in England.


What kind of double-speak is that ?

Its not double-speak.

The author of the article is stating (correctly) that you cannot attribute the two consecutive record-breaking high temperatures in Portland, Tenn. (for instance) to Global Warming. There is enough variability in the day-to-day temperatures in a single location that a singular event might have nothing to do with a global warming or cooling trend.

The author then goes on to quote Dr. Jones explaining that a series of many such events, in widely separated locations, however, may be taken as significant w.r.t. global climate trends.

The current very steep and accelerating warming trend is detectable in the year-to-year, seasonally and globally averaged temperatures. In the short-term, or over a geographically small scale, the trend is lost in the noise.
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 02, 2008 11:44PM
"Better to ask, what kind of world renowned institution is the University of East Anglia. Does it imply more accumen then the local DiVrey Institute?"

the university was ranked 57th in Europe, and one of the top 200 universities in the world, in the 2006 World University Rankings

[en.wikipedia.org]

Doh!
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 03, 2008 04:34AM
...so I forgot the smiley, sue me.


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 03, 2008 04:35AM
...so I forgot the smiley, sue me. Did I spell DiVrey right?


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: January 03, 2008 07:52AM
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RgrF
...so I forgot the smiley, sue me. Did I spell DiVrey right?

The UEA is my local University here in the UK and I know that it has been doing research into climate change for longer than most. No idea what DiVrey was so I Googled and it came up with nothing except 'Did you mean Divrei?'. Clicked on it's alternative choice and...still zero. What is it?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: x-uri
Date: January 03, 2008 09:33AM
VP

[www.devry.edu]

It is variously known as DeVry Technical Institute or DeVry Institute of Technology.
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: January 03, 2008 09:44AM
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x-uri
VP

[www.devry.edu]

It is variously known as DeVry Technical Institute or DeVry Institute of Technology.

Thank you, so it's mail order degrees is it? ;)
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: incognegro
Date: January 03, 2008 10:54PM


learn to swim
learn to swim
learn to swim
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: billb
Date: January 04, 2008 06:43PM
The Cape already has a moat.


Allah Gore nailed hisself to a cross yet ?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: x-uri
Date: January 04, 2008 06:53PM
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billb
The Cape already has a moat.


Allah Gore nailed hisself to a cross yet ?

Does this mean something?

Is this a talk-radio thing?
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: billb
Date: January 04, 2008 09:28PM
to some it might be chaotic synaptic activity
connect the dots
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Re: Article: Warming expected to reshape California
Posted by: RgrF
Date: January 05, 2008 03:48AM
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billb
to some it might be chaotic synaptic activity
connect the dots

...and if you can't, tune in to Rush he'll 'splain it all to you.


"Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool that follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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