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Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 30, 2006 11:21AM
[www.cnn.com]
Hopefully this is a small sign that the situation in Iraq is improving. Of course, releasing one lone female journalist does not balance the hundreds of Iraqi citizens who are murdered by their countrymen on a daily basis in the name of some nebulous struggle, or the complete and utter failure of the Iraqi "Government" to pull themselves together and at least start governing.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: papercup
Date: March 30, 2006 01:04PM
she was "treated very well" while being held captive.

"They never said they would hit me. They never threatened me in any way,"

"They allowed me once to see TV. They also allowed me once to read the paper, but it wasn't enough to know what's going on in the outside world."

Throughout her ordeal, she said, "I was allowed to move in a small space."




Geez......Maybe she'll go back? or try to beat the 41 hours in Walmart.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 30, 2006 06:42PM
cbelt3 Wrote:
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> > Hopefully this is a small sign that the
> situation in Iraq is improving.

LOL! You poor naif. Her keepers want their women back - the ones we've taken hostage. This didn't work, but do you think they'll give up trying to rescue their wives and girlfriends? They'll just try to capture someone that this administration actually cares about or go back to i.e.d's to win the war of attrition.

> Of course,
> releasing one lone female journalist does not
> balance the hundreds of Iraqi citizens who are
> murdered by their countrymen on a daily basis in
> the name of some nebulous struggle, or the
> complete and utter failure of the Iraqi
> "Government" to pull themselves together and at
> least start governing.

Nor does it balance the tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis we've killed in this illegal, unnecessary war. Each one of those murdered for lies cries out for vengeance. Our shoot-out at the Shiite mosque only unified them against us. Now Bush is calling for the removal of democratically elected leaders in both Palestine and Iraq. Sorta puts the lie to the whole "spreading democracy" ruse, doesn't it? You've obviously been watching too much Fox News.
[www.commondreams.org]

That Jill was better treated than the women we incarcerate (more Iraqis are in prison now than under Saddam, btw. So much for "liberation.") is now another propaganda victory for the resistance. And you think things will get better for the illegal occupiers?

hahahahahaha!

The huge and untended cemetaries of British troops in Iraq are reminders of the past, and warnings of the future.


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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: March 30, 2006 07:04PM
Refurbvirgin Wrote:
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>
> Her keepers want their women back - the ones we've taken hostage.
>

Why do I get the feeling these women are treated better in American custody than they ever were by the Islamists.

I wouldn't be surprised if these sick, twisted freaks chopped off these womens' heads because they've been "shamed" by the infidels or some such nonsense.

And spare me the charges of "racism" and other BS, Loki.
I know more moderate muslims than you've got conspiracy theories.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: davester
Date: March 30, 2006 07:09PM
Seacrest Wrote:
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> And spare me the charges of "racism" and other BS,
> Loki.
> I know more moderate muslims than you've got
> conspiracy theories.

I'm callin' your bluff Seacrest...that's impossible!






"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 30, 2006 07:56PM
Seacrest Wrote:
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> Why do I get the feeling these women are treated
> better in American custody than they ever were by
> the Islamists.

I don't know. A susceptibility to government propaganda spewed by Fox News? The stories of rapes of children (boys & girls) by US soldiers have made the rounds on the internet for some time. You obviously are impervious to anything outside the official Bushi line.

Womens Group: Saddam Better for Iraqi Women
[www.commondreams.org]

> I wouldn't be surprised if these sick, twisted
> freaks chopped off these womens' heads because
> they've been "shamed" by the infidels or some such
> nonsense.

Actually we overthrew the moderate Muslims (Saddam's Sunnis) and put the radical Shiites in power, but don't let that put any dents in your reality distortion field. The big winners as the result of Dick & Dubya's Excellent Adventure have been the extremist mullahs in Iran. When we are forced out they will be invited in.

Meanwhile our allies (& Bush's business partners) the Saudis have been happily converting the huge oil profits this war has brought them into madrasas to teach hatred of America. Tell me this: are the Bushis more ignorant or more evil? I'm having a hard time keeping score, what with all the massacres at mosques and other strategic blunders.

I don't expect any of this to seep in under your red, white & blue blinders, but you must have some sense, after three years of looking for WMD that you were lied to?

The US Propaganda Machine: Oh, What a Lovely War
[www.commondreams.org]

Wakey, wakey - time to open your eyes now.


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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Seacrest
Date: March 30, 2006 08:48PM
Actually, you mujahidimwit, the Sunnis are NOT moderate, or rather they are no more moderate than the Shia are.

Point of fact, the Saudis -- who as you know, made up the bulk of the 9/11 hijackers -- are Sunnis who adhere to the über-strict teachings of Wahhabism, an ultra-fundamentalist order.

Saddam(piss be upon him) never ran Iraq as a "Sunni" state anyway, as he was just your good old garden variety, secular military dictator.

Ah, but you've never been one to let facts stand in the way of a good, carthatic "rant," and this forum is all the richer* for it.








*rich as in gold, Jerry, comedy gold!
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 30, 2006 10:48PM
Seacrest Wrote:
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> Actually, you mujahidimwit, the Sunnis are NOT
> moderate, or rather they are no more moderate than
> the Shia are.

"Moderate" is a relative term. Compared to Hitler Bush is only moderately fascist, but he's gaining. When Hitler declared preemptive war his nation's foreign policy it took six years for the world to beat him. We're only three years into "Amerika Uber Alles," and we're much stronger than Germany ever was militarily. That doesn't make us any more right, unless you are one of those ends-justifies-the-means, might-makes-right types.

> Point of fact, the Saudis -- who as you know, made
> up the bulk of the 9/11 hijackers -- are Sunnis
> who adhere to the über-strict teachings of
> Wahhabism, an ultra-fundamentalist order.

For somebody that demeans others command of facts you have an awful time keeping yours straight as well:

"Even Sunni Muslims are hated by the Wahabis as Sunnis also highly respect the prophet's family and are against Yazeed. The Sunni scholars consider Wahabis/Deobandis as a non-Muslim cult. "
[www.shianews.com]

> Saddam(piss be upon him) never ran Iraq as a
> "Sunni" state anyway, as he was just your good old
> garden variety, secular military dictator.

Saddam was a secular Sunni, and ran Iraq as a socialist state as head of the Ba'athist party, giving special perks to his Sunni brethren, who were his power base. After his defeat in the Gulf War of '91 he "got religion" and used it just as the current occupant (usurper) of the White House does to fool the rubes into thinking he's a decent, god-fearing man.

"At about the age of ten, Saddam fled the family to return to live with his uncle, who was a devout Sunni Muslim, in Baghdad. Later in his life, relatives from his native Tikrit would become some of his most influential and powerful advisors and supporters. According to Saddam, he learned many things from his uncle, especially the lesson that he should never back down from his enemies, no matter how superior their numbers or capabilities. Under the guidance of his uncle, he attended a nationalistic secondary school in Baghdad. In 1957, at age 20, Saddam joined the revolutionary pan-Arab Ba'ath Party, of which his uncle was a supporter."
[en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 30, 2006 10:53PM
Also, from the above Wiki:
"Within a period of just a few years, the state provided social services to Iraqi people that were unprecedented in other Middle Eastern countries. Saddam initiated and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq," and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)."

As bad as Saddam was they were better off under him than under us.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: max
Date: March 31, 2006 08:08AM
Refurbvirgin Wrote:
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> Seacrest Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually, you mujahidimwit, the Sunnis are
> NOT
> > moderate, or rather they are no more moderate
> than
> > the Shia are.
>
> For somebody that demeans others command of facts
> you have an awful time keeping yours straight as
> well:
>
> "Even Sunni Muslims are hated by the Wahabis as
> Sunnis also highly respect the prophet's family
> and are against Yazeed. The Sunni scholars
> consider Wahabis/Deobandis as a non-Muslim cult.
> "
Another LOKI cut and paste illuminating his total lack of understanding of the subject.
Quoting a fundamentalist Shia website, criticizing a fundamentalist Sunni interpretation of Koran, is really, dimwitting, rich.

>piss be upon him
Seacrest, LOL ....



















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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 31, 2006 08:51AM
Seacrest Wrote:
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> Saddam(piss be upon him) never ran Iraq as a
> "Sunni" state anyway, as he was just your good old
> garden variety, secular military dictator.

Just like all the other garden variety, secular military dictatorships we've set up and supported throughout the years, with the notable exception that he actually did good things for the people (as long as they didn't do anything to make himsuspect they were plotting against him, in which case, like all our other client dictators, they were toast). We overthrew democracies in Iran, Guatemala and Chile, and set up client dictatorships, and supported them throughout their reigns of terror.

Re:
"Quoting a fundamentalist Shia website, criticizing a fundamentalist Sunni interpretation of Koran, is really, dimwitting, rich."

I quoted a Shia site to refute Seacrest's statement

"Point of fact, the Saudis -- who as you know, made up the bulk of the 9/11 hijackers -- are Sunnis who adhere to the über-strict teachings of Wahhabism, an ultra-fundamentalist order."

Because Americans still believe in manifest destiny to rule the world we are sticking our noses into the business, politics, and religion of the other 95% of the world's people. If the $300 billion we'd spent on this illegal, unnecessary war had been invested in alternative energy to make our society self-sufficient we wouldn't be involved in wholesale murder to control the world's oil. And we wouldn't have created tens of thousands of suicide bombers anxious to strike back at us.

We are not better than they are, our childrens lives are not worth more than theirs are, and we will not always be on top in this fight. The lives of their loved ones are not "collateral damage" and even though Colin Powell isn't concerned about the loss of innocent life in our colonial wars and Tommy Franks says "we don't do body counts" they do. Every life we've taken in coveting our neighbor's oil cries out in their families ears for vengeance. This insane war will have blowback for generations.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 31, 2006 10:16AM
Ah yes, reeferboy
THESE Irqui men, women, and children were DEFINITELY Treated better under Saddam.
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: davester
Date: March 31, 2006 01:12PM
davester Wrote:
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> I'm callin' your bluff Seacrest...that's
> impossible!

See Seacrest, I told you so!



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Some good news; 'Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released'
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: March 31, 2006 01:48PM
cbelt3 Wrote:
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> Ah yes, reeferboy
> THESE Irqui men, women, and children were
> DEFINITELY Treated better under Saddam.
>

Bush 1 urged the Shia and Kurds to rise up against Saddam to get their help in Gulf War 1.
Then he withdrew his protection so Saddam could slaughter them because our allies the Turks didn't want a Kurdish independent state on their border aiding the Kurdish rebels in Turkey, and because GHWB didn't want an Iraqi regime allied with Iran. Jr. had no such qualms, despite Brent Scowcroft's warnings.

Anyway, the Shia and Kurds rose up, slaughtered Saddam's Sunni administrators, and then we pulled back and let him take revenge. That's where the mass graves came from.

Most unembedded reporters say that the standard of living of the average Iraqi has fallen markedly under our occupation, and more people are in prison than under Saddam. Prisoners are often killed in those prisons or subjected to torture. Additionally the government we've installed has its security forces rounding up and executing Sunnis for the actions you portray. We've loosed the fires of vengeance. Additionally the sanctions we enforced for 12 years caused the premature deaths of a million and a half Iraqis. Madeleine Albright admitted and approved of the deaths of half a million Iraqi kids, saying to Leslie Stahl "we believe it was worth it." Saddam didn't come close to killing that many. Was he a murderous monster? Of course. We are just worse.
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