We saw this piece on Fox today

Check out this site and do a google too.
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Funny but clever. And this project is making the point. Barbara Boxer has gotten over fifty so far. Lots more to other lazy lawmakers.

We're checking to see if we can setup a brick store on campus as students are doing at UNC and other colleges.

We're already boycotting Cinco de Mayo...hope you are too.

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cassie is definitely Shakeman.

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What's wrong with the 5th of May? I like to celebrate resistance against European attempts over colonialism inthe Americas. Just because it's not my country doesn't mean that independence is bad. Or are you against independence from European powers? Or do you just hate Mexicans?

Are you going to boycott St. Patrick's day, too? You know, Irish immigrants weren't too popular at one time.

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...Or do you just hate Mexicans?


Apparently you have not my posts concerning my close ties to hispanics, yada, yada.

You know full well that in this context, the Cinco de Mayo boycott refers to Mexico and illegals.

BTW: Did you come down on the illegals for boycotting America and for boycotting their illegal jobs last Monday...and how about their boycotting our laws?

I expected better from you

how about the fact that we celebrate Columbus Day?

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> You know full well that in this context, the Cinco
> de Mayo boycott refers to Mexico and illegals.

But what does the holiday have to do with illegals?

Are you boycotting tortillas, salsa & refried beans? It sound ridiculous, I know, but so is re-naming fried potatos that have no connection wioth France other than their name.

1. I am all for a holiday that gives me an excuse to drink more Mexican beer.
2. Can we also build a wall between the U.S. and Canada? Health care is too expensive here, and I may be sneaking into Ontario soon.

I boycott the 13th floors of buildings. So, it's easy.

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Seriously cassie.

Do you have any other issues to address aside from illegal immigration? You also might consider posting these thoughts on one of the other DOZEN threads that you have started about this SAME TOPIC.

Why are you so fixated on it. Do illegal immigrants enter your home every night and crap in your kitchen sink?

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Seriously mick e,

Yes, illegal immigration is a pet peeve. Therefore, It is my solemn and sacred duty to post info and links concerning this issue.

Your fixation appears to be a blind sided allegiance to extremest leftist liberal notions. Bashing the Bush administration, Republicans and conservatives is your forte. You are constantly on the prowl in this regard and are quick to snipe. Many times your efforts are humorous; although, way off reality.

But, I do not complain. It is your right to post as you please and we expect it of you anyway. However, I try not to make things personal. I still enjoy seeing those 'dos above "mick e is out"

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> Your fixation appears to be a blind sided
> allegiance to extremest leftist liberal notions.

Oh please, "extremest (sic) leftist liberal notions"? Anything that is not a right-wing extreme must be a left-wing extreme, huh? Most people on this board are a bit left of center from my observations. The one left-wing, tin-foil, head in the clouds extremist that I know of seems to have been exiled.

Critiquing (bashing, as you call it) the Bush admin, republicans & conservatives involves a wide range of subjects from A to Z.

Illegal immigration is a single issue.

And, I believe you critique Bush as well, don't you? Isn't his immigration plan viewed as amnesty and opposed by many conservatives?

Don't you see thos 'dos in his sig as anti-white/redneck?

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If you wanted to go into the time machine over at DealChat, you would find mick e strongly criticizing the Clinton administration for NAFTA, it's handling of Waco, not acting in Rwanda, on and on. He blindly abides by no leader - never has.

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>Oh please, "extremest (sic) leftist liberal notions"? >Anything that is not a right-wing extreme must be a left-wing >extreme, huh?

Perhaps I was a bit meek.


>The Bush admin, republicans & conservatives involves a wide >range of subjects from A to Z.

That IS our friend's (And yours?) single issue.


>And, I believe you critique Bush as well, don't you? Isn't >his immigration plan viewed as amnesty and opposed by many >conservatives?

This is true.

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> mick e is out


Hard to tell, Laffy'pete is another possibility … he particularly enjoys using the alliterative "pusillanimous punk" in his oratory…

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>If you wanted to go into the time machine over at DealChat, >you would find mick e strongly criticizing the Clinton >administration for NAFTA, it's handling of Waco, not acting >in Rwanda, on and on.


If I unfairly characterized you, I am sorry and stand corrected. I agree with you that Clinton handled Waco, Rwanda and even, possibly, NAFTA incorrectly. But your actual take on those matters and the "on and on" are not clear to me.

After all, although Clinton is a Democrat, he isn't exactly a die hard left winger...more an opportunist. Says what's needed to be said to advance himself.

On a scale of 1 (bordering on becoming a conservative) to 10 (would prefer true communism and socialism to rule America) would you place yourself?

I am a 3.6789 on the conservative scale, according to my most liberal professor. He had placed me higher until he came to understand that I am just very resolute on certain questions.

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> We saw this piece on Fox today

Is this a simply plural "we", a collective "we", or an effort at an imperial "we"?

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>Hard to tell, Laffy'pete is another possibility … he >particularly enjoys using the alliterative "pusillanimous >punk" in his oratory…


What's this "Shakeman thing all about" I used to see Lafayette pete's post on another forum.

When we were pre-teens, my dad had to explain what the word "pusillanimous" meant. At that time we thought it was something else and couldn't understand why it was uttered by the Wizard of Oz. From that time, we puposely would work"pusillanimous" into a conversation to get on my parents nerves

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> Is this a simply plural "we", a collective "we", or an
effort at an imperial "we"?

"We" as in my college dorm suite mates.

mick e is moderately socialist. But more than that, he feels that multinational corporations are killing economies worldwide. He strongly believes that a supported and appreciated workforce would have prevented problems like mass illegal immigration. Simply stated, force corporations to be responsible for themselves and their work force. If they insist on looking for cheap labor in order to boost profits they would need to do it somewhere else. If they do that, then hit them with an import tax.

When it comes to preferred trade status, mick e would make sure that trade occurred on a more balanced playing field. If Country A buys as much from the USA as it sells, the tariffs would effectively zero out. The higher one goes, the more adjustment with tariffs are made. America has the ability to be entirely self-sufficient, it just needs to be incentivized to do so.

A capitalist system is just that - a system. And all systems have boundaries. If the USA had clearly defined boundaries when it comes to corporations, working class america would flourish and the economy would be consistently strong.

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What mick e last posted.

And I have yet to read a post by Lux that wasn't dead on.

But then I kinda knew him many years ago in another life.

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> Hard to tell, Laffy'pete is another possibility …

No. Laffy would cut & paste about 10,000 words for each response. Breviry was never his forte.



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> But then I kinda knew him many years ago in
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In a better, sunnier place. I do miss it.

Cassie is entitled to her opinion.

Don't be bullies.

I don't like ILLEGAL immigration either, and I can assure you I am not Shakeman or Laffy Pete

I hate Bush

I hate Cinton

I hate politicians and big Business.


There is more than one aspect to this issue.


I have noticed the posts are down in general on this forum.

I have been here less because of the bullying.

I thought AppleSwitcher was the bully place and noticed you've held you own and landed a few well placed blows over there. You've brought a strong voice to that forum a place not noted for shrinking violets.

Without names why do you think this place - one I find far more benign than AS, overbearing?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2006 12:00AM by RgrF.

mick e's intent is to elevate the discussion beyond these misguided attempts to treat the symptoms. Illegal immigration is a symptom. Quite frankly it would make much more sense to treat the disease - corporate rule over this country and the world economy. This could be done much more easily than building another Great Wall of China across the Mexican border, and it would be ten times more effective. The government should be imposing its will upon these corporations, not the other way around.

mick e thinks it's perfectly reasonable to note if a user is fixating on one narrow issue, and posting new threads about it over and over. His intention is not to bully or reduce the amount of posts, but simply to state that there are many more issues to talk about - not just the ones that are prescribed to us by the media and the administration. Do a little research. Educate yourself as to what is REALLY going on in the world, and don't let other people do your thinking for you.

How come nobody ever posts about the crisis in Darfur?
Or the exploding deficit?
Or the loss of civil liberties in this country?
Or the devaluation of the dollar and the increasing trade deficit?
How about the fact that Afghanistan is about to fall apart?

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2006 12:29PM by mick e.

ILLEGAL immigration is a symptom and a problem. I agree with many of the things said above. Corporations are not taking responsibility for hiring these people. They don't treat taxpayers right. Look at the Chicken Processors, Building Contractors and Big Boxes like Walmart. They should be required to get these people legal if they hire them.

Immigration is the next big issue the Feds (with the help of most states) are going to use to snow the American Public. Kinda like weapons of mass destruction bull sheet. New legislature is being proposed and it will probably get pushed through before we know it. I think the public should have something to say - especially the middle class that pays all of the taxes in this country. It is just a timely topic. Once these laws get passed, it will be too late. What is the next thing we don't get to voice an opinion on? Everyone I know that is writing letters to Federal and State Officials is getting a canned form letters back. It is just like the War deal. Most of us were not for the war. Washington is out of control and they are just doing whatever they want. Bush is more than evil and he has republican and democratic buddies on the bandwagon. They are going to let all of these new voters in and raise our taxes to pay for it. It would take 30 plus years with the best efforts to get these folks on the books and paying taxes. I guess if you are wealthy, you may not care.

ILLEGAL immigration is a big problem for a lot of areas. I guess if it is not happening around you, you may not feel it is much of an issue. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is adding to already near exhausted programs and education system. We have no idea how many are here, but I can assure you they are playing it down. Hell, they just want the hispanic vote in the next election. Corporations are using these people, Politicans are using these people, and taxpayers get to take care of them for the time being. (and we have taken care of them in increasing numbers since the last laws were passed in the 80's.) All those laws did was encourage the next group to break the laws. Instead of a few thousand coming into the US, in is now a several milliona year. We know because of how many are in the school system. The corporations know how many are on their payrolls. The hospital workers can tell you what is going on. Some State Governors will tell you the truth. The people running prisons, and the police, can tell you about some of these problems.

The news media is not showing both sides of this issue fairly. There is major propaganda being pushed in every major newspaper and on television stations. The feds are trying to use the "they are just hardworking people, propaganda" . Many of those same People can't 100% support their life once they get to the US. Southern California is a disgrace - have you been there lately - trash everywhere. San Diego used to be the most beautiful city in America. Parts of Georgia look the same way. I hear Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada are having issues. Houston is a nightmare. South Texas towns have Mexicans crossing the border and dropping the kids off at American Public schools . These border towns don't have many jobs and additonal resources to raise the tax base. The feds are sure not cleaning up after these poor immigrants who have no resources for trash pickup. The feds are not enforcing housing codes that prevent a nice apartment complex from turning into a slum. The feds are not providing money for healthcare or a system to pay for it. You and I, will just have to bear the burden. Is that very humane? For illegals, or the Taxpayers that can't afford to move every five minutes?

Federal Laws are written using the terms "illegal alien". It is on the immigrants id's and on the law books. All of a sudden no one is using the terminology or enforcing any of the laws. They are turning this into a racial issue divide. If we do an amnesty, nothing will get these numbers documented and nothing will prevent droves of them from continuing to come illegally. The last amnesty did not get most of these people registered. The feds have so many broken programs, do you think they are going to make this one a priority? We need to know that immigrants are not criminals before we let them in. We need to have control over who gets into this country, at least to some degree. There are reasons other countries are more strict on Immigration Policy.

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